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6 June 2023

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thank you
welcome to testimony Mountain it’s such a joy to be here with you and to be here
with Jesse I always love being with Jesse that was a good conversation yes and we
had an amazing time this last twice as two weekends ago now but
um with beautifully adorned here and how how soon until that is up on your
website for people to purchase yeah that should be available probably
June July is the timing we’re looking for but we have had
um Casey who was there with us that I do the Watchman podcast with uh several
times a month uh he and I had a great discussion about it so I encourage
people to watch that episode um you know he talks about all the things that happened there that were
just so meaningful to him and really it was just such a powerful time
um you know I know even though I was kind of you know teaching and directing things that I just felt the Lord moving
so powerfully and I couldn’t have asked for you know a more beautiful better venue
um you know it was so gracious to have it where we did because you know there was something it wasn’t you know it
wasn’t like too big but at the same time it wasn’t too small like it was just perfect it had that you know
that homey environment which made it more feel more safe I think for a lot of people
so I actually got a lot of compliments on you know your hospitality and
graciousness and that and people just really enjoyed it so good venue
thank you well we’re looking forward to hosting you again in October so that
will be fun shapes that up and it was a joy you know
to have everyone here and I have to admit a couple days before I was like oh my goodness did I make a mistake is this
gonna work you know but it was beautiful we made it work you know that’s part of
the fun of the process you got to figure out all the challenges and you know but it turned out really well so
thank you thank you and so we were just kind of chatting beforehand about what kind of to share
and and I was just sharing with Jesse um not too long ago a friend and I went to
a big conference event that um we’d been connected with this
ministry in the past and hadn’t been for a while and um my friend comes from you know a new
age background and she was able to spot a whole lot more things than I was coming from a Christian background of
occult symbolism and different things that were present and you know it it
caused us to have a lot of um amazing conversations in the midst of it but you
know really talking about how do we as Christians uh walk this out not from a place of fear
but from of wisdom and you know where has this stuff crept
into the church and how do we spot it so we’ll just kind of launch from there whatever you’d like
to share Jesse yeah I think you know I think we’re seeing a lot of you know that that
creeping in and you know it I think it has definitely it’s not anything new
like I think it’s been there all along it’s just we we weren’t taught to recognize it
so you know for me I know one of the first things I start to look at Everywhere I Go
you know is the symbols I’m seeing in the buildings the architecture
um you know it sounded like you guys spotted some of that if you want to maybe share some of the things that you
saw so they were in a new space and so they didn’t have time for fully decorating but what was there was kind of a
honeycomb pattern or hexagon you know type of shape all over
um all over the walls in different places and um even the light fixtures were kind of
in that that format and the funny thing is is that later we were actually
driving by and on the highway um there was that same pattern on the on
the walls of the highway you know portions and it was just like oh my goodness you know sometimes when your
eyes are open to things and um but I think you know part of the struggle for us was like okay it looks
like a honeycomb and there’s biblical things in the Bible about honey and and
the bee and so looking at it from a Christian perspective you’re like well that’s good you know sweetest honey
um sweeter than the honeycomb you know in different passages me so but then you get to the solomonic
Magic in the old Colton know that that hexagon you know represents
you know ritual ground and you know different things like that you know where they’re
going to be summoning and yeah um I mean I think part of the challenge
comes in is are they aware of it and doing con doing it consciously
or is it or is it just like design you know like is it what’s you know they go
to the store and that’s what’s kind of being pushed and you know they’re like oh this is really cool let’s go with
that you know they may even think like you did like oh the Bible talks about the honey and the honeycomb and you know
and they have no clue that they’re putting all this symbology within their building you know
and so I know a lot of people lately um who are becoming more and more interested in sacred geometry
and is it all bad or is there something positive that the Lord puts well I think
you know what the core of it we have to remember that it it was created by God
you know that he spoke it into existence um he’s the one who gave you know to his
spoken word he gave height breath dip a depth with you know so we have to always remember
that that you know we serve such a creative amazing god
um everything that he created was by Design uh meaning that you know he created it
by that design to function and operate and to accomplish his word to perform it
um so you know I always keep that in mind um now where we have some of that you
know twisting or that uh perverse saying that that comes from the enemy that he
takes those very things of God and uh makes it something associated with evil
as well so we always have that you know that kind of that dual mirror of
something that’s good and right and true and right next to it the same exact thing also means something that’s you
know bad and ugly and perverse so um you know I think we need to
always keep that in mind and and then the question becomes well what do we do with it you know do we get rid of
everything that the enemy puts attaches meaning to that’s not good or do we
redeem it do we you know give it back to the Lord
and I think that’s the challenge um is a lot of Christianity has just run
away from it um and been afraid of it and we don’t we
don’t want to walk in fear of it um but then you know the Practical steps
what do we do with it how do we make it so it’s holy again and appropriate
right and I think for that you know it is I think where I always start is I will
ask the Lord and say you know I mean if I have control over whatever it is so let’s say
you know you you were one of those people you went into the store um design store and you picked out
something that was popular you you know put it all in your church and now you find out oh my gosh it you know means
something bad um you know instead of just destroying right away or getting rid of I always
stop and pray I ask the Lord you know Lord is this uh you know according to
your will what is your will in this matter do you want me to get rid of it you know I’m willing to do that or do
you want me to anoint it and redeem it uh give it back to you and let the Lord lead you in that
um you know I’ve had the Lord do very interesting things sometimes it’s not the answer that I’m expecting that he’s
going to give especially in that Redemption mode um you know sometimes we miss out on the
most beautiful Miracles because we don’t give the Lord the opportunity to redeem
things yeah that is so good um you know and again
that’s things that we have control over um I know I was kind of surprised I went
to a friend’s house one time and her couch had kind of the squirrel patterns that you know are identified you know
with pedophilia you know and I know that’s not not a part of her at all um but it just happened to be the design
you know that she purchased or was given to her or any of those kinds of things
and so um we get to walk it out mm-hmm
so yeah and we see that you know it’s it’s hard because you know when we’re
um learning to kind of understand these symbols and the different things that we’re seeing our Auto reaction is to
automatically put something evil connected to it you know where everywhere we see the swirls we’re
saying oh my gosh that must be a place of pedophilia and that’s not always the
case um you know you have to have other indicators other things that kind of go
along with that um you know we can’t be quick to judge we have to kind of allow the Lord to
lead in that process and yet when we find out that it is something that’s not
evil you know we need to be quick to obey the Lord in that um you know to get rid of or
um dispose of things that are that he doesn’t want us to have
yeah and there was another beautiful part of this service that I I think it’s the intention was beautiful and is
beautiful is that um when people would come to give their
offering they often have a gift there for you some little something with scripture on it or something you know
and it and being connected with them for years I collected you know all of those and saved them until probably my last
move and I was kind of like I probably need to clear out some of this but you know this coming this time
coming knowing what I know now about how the occults can release
um you know curses onto objects and because you gave um and you you know and you receive the
gift that was an act permission and so it was it was one of those things
of going you know first you’re kind of shocked when that realization hits you know and not saying that leadership is
doing that but even if they had a volunteer who was you know pretending to be a
Christian but was releasing it over you know the baskets and so on
um you know and and in a moment there was like oh you know get me out of here type of thing but then it was like no I
I’m here for a reason so Lord I just release your blood over every gift given
every gift that’s received to just cover over that um and so that there’s no curses going
into people’s homes um because it was like what a brilliant way of the enemy to get cursed objects into
Christian’s home you know is through something like that and right
but yeah you don’t you know it’s at the same time like you don’t want to be quick to judge like if it really you
know it’s good to ask the Lord you know if the reaction is because of you know
triggers from your past or your abuse or if really you know those were the
intentions of their heart because the enemy can use it the other way too where then in fear we don’t receive
um maybe a word that randomly the Lord had for us that day yeah you know
sometimes it feels like it’s just it’s difficult um to walk through and navigate these
things because you know I know for many people there’s an uncertainty and not necessarily
knowing all the time um not knowing the hearts of the people that are there they can look good but
you know how do you get to that place where you really know um whether the people that are you know
serving you in those situations really if their intentions are good or not you
know yeah that is is the challenge and I think that’s part of of the body
um you know of Christ coming together um because like I was glad that my
friend Nikki was with me because she had some information and some background that I don’t have and I think a lot of
Christians what I’ve seen is when they kind of are trying to get out of religious boxes you know they go oh you
know there’s good stuff here in the new age or there’s good stuff over here you know and the you know Christianity’s
been afraid of it so they’ve just pushed it all away um and so they’re like embracing some of
these things and it’s like well wait a minute you know but if you say anything then they’re like oh you’re just operated in fear and
and I think there’s a place of wisdom and from relationship god
um you know Discerning these things absolutely and not to be quick to you
know throw those discernments out the window either you know to really stop and listen and a scripture says you know
test the spirits and we have every right to test if it’s if it comes from the
spirit of God or if it’s coming from you know an outside Spirit like a fallen uh
angel or a demonic spirit so we need to not be afraid to do that
either yeah yeah and there was an area particularly
um there was a dance presentation that was given and some of the people who you
know were at the you know trading the dancers and so on come from a
um Native culture where certain things are you know and so like they had face
paint on and what was particularly startling was um these three lines over the left eye
um you know and so again do you go is it just cultural is this connected in the
negative stuff from you know the native culture or
you know so it’s it’s challenging mm-hmm
and and navigating Discerning that too um yeah I think for me when I you know what
I’m thinking at the moment is that you know in those moments you get hit with these triggers and how do you
you know navigate those triggers and you know the only way that I found
to do it is just to say okay Lord show me like show me what’s behind that you
know all this imagery is getting thrown at me uh that revolves around a culture that
you know they acknowledge God the Creator but they don’t acknowledge you know Jesus Christ or his death or
Resurrection so um how do I you know navigate that
is this just a fun play um or like you know I think the harder
thing for those of us who have been through Satanic ritual is that you know
a lot of times for rituals there would be ritual prep so it very indeed could
be a play that you’re a part of that you’re having to act out but in that
like you’re learning you know how to be precise for when that time of ritual
comes so for many of us you know plays and other things can be triggers
um because we see elements that are similar in that play to you know ritual
prep things that we we went through so how do you separate that you know your
next fear is oh my gosh like are these children going through ritual prep
um or am I you know unvoluntarily yet because I’ve even just walked in the
door I’m now willingly participating in a ritual you know which can all be horrifying
thoughts to survivors in the moment of things
yeah it it was interesting even just the frequency of you know the performance
and and one of the leaders was wearing red shoes but at the next
meeting he was used to a different color now did he just want to change his shoes did he know what no red shoes implies is
every red shoe bad you know it’s it’s kind of those questions
putting out there no no was he wearing it with a robe that’s a next question did he have a black robot
yeah no I mean you’re just sitting there like oh my goodness like the distinguishing
The Red Shoes yeah and and yet the um
the very next um session was led by different leaders
and it was so powerful and beautiful you could feel the spirit of the Lord it had
a different feel it had a different frequency and so anyway these are just things that
you know are out there that can be confusing or
fear in you know generating um but the Lord I do believe can give us
discernment to walk it out in wisdom yeah absolutely
and that was the thing is there was an art of me that like I am never coming back again you know and then it was like
that’s what I was going to ask what was your end kind of reaction to all of that yeah is that I I really think that it’s
it’s that place of um really in relationship with the Lord
hearing his voice to stay or to go um and you know I had some questions about
some other friends that I know that are you know are connected to that Ministry
um maybe they’re not aware maybe they don’t see it um you know some of them work in
Deliverance Ministry and things like that and so it seems like some of these things would be obvious
um but sometimes you don’t know what you don’t know um and sometimes I know that people are called to stay Within
um you know someplace called by God to be Salt and Light in that Community yeah
and that’s very true I think back to you know some of the churches that I’ve gone
to where they were the ones where it’s like nope not coming back here and
you know like for me I would pick up you know I guess I didn’t grow up learning
it as you know Mason or Templar or you
know those type of terms like you know I knew um luciferian Brotherhood and
um you know protectors so you know it’s like there’s been times I’ve gone into churches and they’re
smaller you know usually Southern Baptist or Lutheran
um you know and I I went in to this one and it was like you know the the men
automatically will come and greet you shake your hand and that’s usually you
know the first thing like if they go in and all of a sudden like you find yourself you know where they’re just
like you know grabbing on here you know for me it’s like hmm okay like now I’m
alert is this person a Mason you know and then you know usually they start
with the sermon you you start off with a Bible passage where you know they’ll cover a good deal
of it but then pretty quick you know you start to pick up on the Brotherhood you
know talk where they’re sending messages you know why are all the men there at church because they’re there to get
their weekly message and assignments that they’re going to fulfill out in the community and you know that’s how I hear
it I don’t hear the word of God I hear uh here’s your Brotherhood assignment and your quotas do your due diligence
cause God forbid you don’t do your due diligence then you know there’s going to be consequences
um you know so I pick up on stuff like that and then you know the epitome of it was
then you know the one time they all um you know it’s like okay men let you know
let’s enter into prayer for this young man and they call a young man up to the front and all of a sudden all the men
are gathering but instead of a normal Gathering where you’re just gonna like come around put your hands on you know
everybody it’s like all of a sudden like along the front of the altar you’ve got all the men kneeling uh not towards God
but towards each other and uh I’m sitting there like oh my gosh
I’m in the midst of a mass amount of Templars you know of protectors and it’s
like all right you know and then they they do the recruiting thing you know oh
well we you know you come once now your family you know we’re having this event next week and and you know we look so
forward to seeing you next week and you’re sitting there like just let me out the door because I’m not coming back
you know and every step you take you’ve got somebody coming in you know oh you
know I’m so happy you came uh we’ll see you next week and you’re like no no you won’t uh I’m making my way towards that
door you let me out you know and it’s hard because
um you know as Christians we should be that family we should be embracing and encouraging you know
um but again when you see those signs um and I like I
you know part of my programming was to be extremely naive and accepting of
anything and everything and um uh and I I mentioned one time you know about how my parents took all fiction
out of my life and so it was like you only said what was true and didn’t
um and I can’t remember if I if I share this on that so it was such a struggle for me because uh
uh I just believed anything anybody said you know and so if you’re being warm and
friendly like that you know I’m just gonna believe that you really want to see me and you really
have good intention for me you know and not realize other agendas um but I I
shortly after we were married and my husband had so much fun with this because I was so naive
and um we went to I think it was Universal Studios and it was like just after their Jurassic Park you know
exhibit or thing you know ride and I and they had printed out this
thing you know telling the story you know about how dinosaurs you know they made all this thing you know and
and I believed it you know and you’re like wow look at that
look at that you know yeah although my husband oh he had such a good laugh over that but anyway
um but oftentimes you know I think we can have very naive Christian programming that just accepts anything
and everything um and and the way the programming in is is not understanding the light side of the
system it’s like this is dark over here this is bad we stay away from it and all of this is
good and so as long as it’s a good story so if it’s in the church building it’s
got to be good if the pastor says it it’s got to be good you know right
and not realizing it also extends then to the professional or the specialized
category that because they say it it must be true it must be tested it must be all right
if they say it’s bad for me that must be true you know trust the science
right trust the science and or the medical you know or the pharmacia
um yep and they get you to to just accept it without thinking through or asking
the Lord yourself you know well and I was raised in a medical family my my dad’s a doctor my mom’s a
nurse and you know so it was always trust you know the professionals they know
what they’re doing it’s it’s been a wake-up call on you
know multiple multiple levels I agree that I think huge wake-up calls
for many people you know I wonder how many really feel that too like you know everything that we thought you
know we knew and trusted you know I think back to you know when I was growing up in the 80s you know
through the 90s you know how many families or you know friends families did I have that you
know watched all of the the daily shows on television you know Oprah and all the
others and they would take all those housewife shows everything that was out of there you know had to be valid and
true and you know families were run off of those things and yet now we see you
know the very people that we trusted being the very people that you know have been part of the plotting for our demise
and the destruction of our families and family units
yeah and particularly I mean we didn’t have a lot of TV mostly growing up but in my you know later teens
um we did watch um NBC News at dinner time you know around the table and so Tom Brokaw was
our friend I mean he was he was there with us every single night you know
right and it it just becomes a part of life that it’s like you know he’s got to
be true um so it’s it’s challenging what television media
you know how it ingrains things in you yeah
or people you know I think of too like you know growing up there were people who were known by you know their
Specialties or you know um especially like in the church you
know it’s like oh you honor that person because you know they’re an elder or you
know they’re a matron or a patron um you know that person’s event or
invested they’ve spent how much money on the Children’s Program you know
and and so you you know like you’re taught like who you can trust and who
who are safe people and you’re taught not to question those people or
challenge them in any way you know because they know they went to Seminary
all those years ago you know they have studied the Bible they’ve been a former
Pastor you know and that’s what I you know personally
it’s like um leaders pastors they’re just people
like any of us I mean my my husband and I pastor but it’s it’s been this Focus
for us of being real and being vulnerable and being honest about the struggles that we go through so that
people don’t put us on a pedestal as much um because it becomes idolatry it really
is idolatry um and it it’s bad for the person we’re idolizing and it’s bad for us
um but our whole culture is built around it um you know from moving cars and
you know music and the church um it’s a whole system of
a hierarchy system of you know honoring who’s ever up on the top
um yeah instead of the body of Christ that you know God talks about is that every
you know person has something to contribute and that that was the Way Church used to be uh you know in in the
early church was you know each person brings something to to the Gathering you know
instead of being Spectators the whole time so yeah well I’m curious we didn’t
talk about this ahead of time um but you know these these gray areas that exist in you know all of the Realms
that we’ve talked about also exist in
um the trafficking movements and so even like I know that Tim Ballard
has a new movie coming out sound of freedom and some people are like no no
don’t go see it don’t don’t fund it because they’re just trafficking children while they’re making it look like they’re not trafficking children
so I don’t know um how does a person know
um what is safe to watch and participate and what um is better to leave
on the other hand too you know the argument is is that you know do we do we
support organizations when you know they’re when they’re helping to create
awareness um you know for me as a kid
um a lot of times you know this exact same situation is how things would get
shut down is that you know nobody would be talking about
um you know the the ritual stuff or the things that were really happening behind
the scenes um you know so in a way as sad as it is
I think that there’s moments where we have to really Embrace when something is
being vocalized um you know and and look at it that way too
that hey you know we need to create awareness about this how do we do that
um you know many of us we don’t have the means to you know really massively get
the awareness out there uh the theaters is a huge thing you know the fact that
they’re actually allowing that topic and um you know people are beginning to
learn about it and invest in it like that’s that’s what I want to see is that
um you know they’re that they’re investing in that awareness of what is really happening and then
they’re going to take that and then you know begin the conversations in their home in their work in their community
um you know it is hard because who do you trust in this
um you know there’s a lot of people I certainly do not believe are good who
claim to be doing good um in the realm of anti-trafficking
um so you know there’s a there’s a wide challenge there and I you know I think
really you know we can’t tell each other what to do I think really you know each
person needs to seek the Lord and say you know Lord do you want me to see that
um is it going to open doors of avenues of conversation uh places where I go and
with people I meet or Lord you know is more of the witness
um for me if I don’t go you know if I take an active stance against this
um I think that within that um both those decisions I think that the
Lord honors people in both of those that we’re going to see you know people who
are using that as an Evangelistic tool um you know as a way to promote those
discussions and I think we’re going to see people that also are going to you
know have a witness and a testimony by abstaining from it um
you know I think it can be used both ways and you know this is an area where
you know there isn’t a scriptural verse that um you know it’s kind of like when Paul
talks to the Corinthians about um you know for their their love piece
with you know that some of them were bringing meat uh but the me they got was
offered to Idols because all the grocery stores in their day the the markets you
know the meat was always offered first to the idols and they were saying well how can you bring me that’s been offered
to an idol to church with you know there were some people who didn’t want to consume it because it had been offered
to Idols yet there were those that were like you know it’s me God made it uh he
gave it to us it’s good for our bodies um you know we can pray and we can
rebuke any Spirits attached to it and now there’s not a problem we can you
know eat this meat um so it’s kind of the same situation
and what did Paul advise in that you know and not we’re not saying that those
that you know have have that element of fear or uncertainty are weak but you
know I’m using Paul’s terms he classified those that didn’t want to eat the meat as the weaker brothers and he
said you know that the that the stronger ones were not too
um judge them for that but at the same time the weaker ones were not to judge
the stronger brothers that each were to do as the Lord LED them to do yeah and
um so I think that this is really one of those situations that you know that we
can make that decision based on what God puts on our heart and what’s right for us but we’re not necessarily to judge
our other brothers you know I mean you can’t you can’t say
that all that money is only used for trafficking or that it’s promoting or
financing trafficking like that’s where you know the weaker Brothers tend to go with that is you know that you’re
promoting you know your um you know funding into trafficking
well at the same time you know those who are stronger in that say well the Lord
knows that everything I succeed into is seed for the kingdom of God and that
there’s a Redemptive work going on um you know they’re fighting for the gold refined by fire so
I think that that’s the best way to approach that um but it’s difficult you know because
it’s it’s an undefined area in Scripture yeah
totally agree and again it’s each one being led and not judging one another because the reality is every day of our
life most likely we are connected into the system in some way um you know we use Amazon if we use
Google if we use go to Walmart if we you know any we pay we pay rent we pay bills
you know I mean who who owns those companies who’s getting the money at the end of the day you know there’s no we
have to go to the grocery store and buy food or you know go to a farmer but we
you know we can choose Christian Farmers or we can grow our own but there’s so many things in our lives that we you
know we don’t have control over um you know that it makes it difficult if
you’re one of those people saying you know you’re not going to feed into the system at all
um that’s quite the challenge and quite the Endeavor to not do that I mean I
think you’d have to live off grit completely off grid out in the middle of nowhere have owned your property and not
have any interaction with Society to actually not have a vehicle or gas or you know
the Amish the Amish have it right no I’m just kidding their own issues they’re infiltrated
they’re infiltrated too which is the sad part even if you lived as the Amish they’re infiltrated too
um but I you know I know I had a you know there was similar controversy over you know the Jesus Revolution movie and
um you know I personally took the stand not to because
um you know with one of the main characters being a knight’s Templar I wasn’t sure what kind of signaling he
might be doing that you know as an overcoming Survivor I’m still in process
of you know getting those things out of my life and so I felt like I couldn’t
recommend it to survivors from the sense of you know there could be some subtle
things that could trigger certain things you know but being able to be aware of
those things and at the same time hearing reports of many people who went and were so powerfully moved and blessed
you know yeah and so being able to trust God to lead each one of us in you know
these decisions where it’s like well should I be supporting that should I be you know is there bad stuff in there
that’s gonna you know do something um I mean right now almost anything in
Hollywood is going to have all kinds of things um you know and so it’s it’s how do we
approach it if the Lord releases us to go I’m going with my eyes wide open now
not just passively going well it’s just entertainment I’m just
gonna relax and zone out right yeah I had that happen back you
know in my early 20s um that was when the the movie uh the craft came to theaters and we had about
a month’s notice and the Lord had told me before it came to the theater that he wanted me to get a group of
people together to pray and intercede and he told us specifically to go to the
movie which normally I I probably would not have gone to a theater uh for a movie like that but as we did that
um you know it was quite the experience because uh we had real witches and warlocks that showed up at that Premiere
and um they you know also a ton of young girls that came and as we were sitting
in there literally those witches and warlocks out loud were casting spells
and like the main audience was like you know didn’t even hear him didn’t even act
like anything was happening and we’re just standing there you know sitting there praying we’re like what in the
world is going on with this this is so surreal and uh you know after it was done those
witches and warlocks began to Target those girls and recruit and invite and we were right alongside of them
witnessing to the girls as they were doing that you know being like no you
really don’t want to go to that you know like you’re Christian right well look at what you’re looking at you know here’s a
witch standing right here you know and they’re trying to entice you with power
and other things um so you know things like that do happen at movies and um you know in fact
it was at a movie once that I had you know experience where um
there was trafficking of children and uh the theater they uh the building right
next door was abandoned and um you know it’s like I this guy came in
with me and my kids um you know he he had two uh kids with
him but I just kept looking I’m like this guy can’t be a dad like he he was just
too young and I mean you know a father of children when you see it so you’re like okay is this an uncle a older
brother like you know this is not a dad yet he claimed to be a dad and immediately you
know like we went we got snacks and I noticed that you know the little boy ran into the theater but then I didn’t see
him again after that so it was like well where’d that little boy go you know and we found out later he had gone through
the exit um that was there in that theater room and had opened up then
um one of the doorways to the abandoned building um
and uh and the little girl she kept getting up you know where at first it’s
like okay she’s it’s it’s not even the movie hasn’t even started we’re just at the commercials and she’s already gotten
up like 10 times no you know I’m like does she have disabilities I mean most
children are not gonna have to pee that much you know you’re like what what is she getting up for and finally I mean it
was so bad that I finally the last time she got up I got up too and went and you
know bathroom doors were open she was not in there so it’s like okay where is this little girl where is
this guy who was with her um you know and and I saw the staff were
really concerned too you know trying to figure out like you know they’re like yeah something’s not right with that
situation and you’re like no no it’s not um so you know being aware of these things
you know would be interesting um just keeping your eyes open I think for those that do go see the movie I you
know I think that that is a good thing is that you know it’s gonna show you how
some of this has been operating yet it’s not the only way that things operate so
we have to keep that in mind as well that is so good um and I I love how you were able to be
right where you were meant to be um you know in that theater with the witches to to be that Witness
and it’s hard to know sometimes we see suspicious activity like you were mentioning and you know it’s like what
what can I do and um one time we were driving across the
United States and it was during winter time the roads were icy there was two
semis that jackknifed and completely cut off you know the whole highway and so we um
you know we saw that this had happened ahead of time and you know got on our Google Maps and it showed a possible way
that we could get around it and so we went on this route you know I don’t know five or six miles in and then that road
came to a dead end it was like well Google Maps is not working you know and so we headed back to where we had
left the main road and there was a big truck stop there and we thought oh well you know we’ll just stop here use the
restroom and you know get refreshed and so on and so um I win in the women’s bathroom and
it was just me and at the mirror was this Native American Girl just beautiful
just beautiful and just staring at herself in the reflection and you know I
thought that was kind of odd I went into the stall and then it kind of hit me it was like oh my she’s being trafficked to
all these truckers here at this truck stop and you know my heart just went out to
her and it was just like praying and just even reaching out in the spirit just releasing the love of
God and just you know speaking uh from my spirit you know you don’t have to do
this you don’t have to do this you know and I stayed in there longer than I needed to just just praying for her
um and then as soon as I came out she just started out you know but it was one of those things where our our car was
piled up you know there wasn’t any room in the back seat and you know but it was like oh if I could only grab this girl
and put her in my car and she could sit on my lap and you know but but at the same time the Practical thing is then I
would be stealing yeah they would immediately turn and hunt you and you know come for
her that’s the hardest part is that you know how do you get him out safely
um you know even if you’re willing to put your own life in danger
um still that doesn’t solve the issue uh necessarily because it just means more
people you know you end up dead um therefore she has no more further
help and they still just take her back into the system so you know it really is difficult
um I’ve heard a lot of different ideas you know people that would leave um
you know if they had resources near them that helped you know with trafficking or
helped get traffic to women out um they would leave um little cards in the bathroom stalls
or you know really those bathroom star stalls are really the only place those women get a moment of privacy sometimes
um you know or they would like sketch numbers on the stall walls or things
like that um but it’s hard because they you know usually their handlers are going to be
checking over everything too as they get in and get out you know
but if you leave something many some of these women will memorize the numbers
um you know when they get a chance to get away that’s what they’ll call but it’s it is a very difficult situation
yeah and I think one of the things that I hear from some Christians is just like
you know the occult has all the power they’re organized they’re doing all of this stuff and the church is just
passive and weak and you know what what do you feel is is the
answer to that I I think we need you know that’s part of the Kingdom living
um with jessie.com is that I think that we need to restore that Authority
uh to Believers in the church and you know what we teach in different
things in there I encourage people to take my land assignment course
um I go you know I go through kind of how the Brotherhood Works how it
operates what you need to be aware of but as you get into the second course for that we begin to talk about you know
true prayer and intercession you know once you have that knowledge how do you
begin to tear down that wickedness in your community
um how do you restore the body of Christ to operating like it’s supposed to be operating so you don’t have that
wickedness um continuing and really it takes many of us to join
together um you know to make the mass impact that
we were designed to have on this world um you know scripture says that all
creation waits in hopeful expectation for the revealing of the sons of God you know
the Lord applauds when we are ready to step into that place of authority and
operate like we’re supposed to and I think there’s there’s different
dimensions of that you know there are needed booths on the ground people and there’s also things that we can do from
the Heavenly realm from the courts um right and partner with the Lord in
that are amazing and fantastic I know um I lead a group every week called for
the least of these and you know we just explore you know with God what can we do
today um you know we’ve done a lot in the spirit and people go well they’re just
Airy Fairy stuff you know how do you know if that’s impacting the Earth well you know we just do it with the Lord we
just be obedient to him and believe that it is having an impact you know as we’re
obedient to him step by step yeah in the in the area of the church
like um a lot of people are like well all the
big churches are infiltrated but then there’s a lot of little churches in Midwest that you know
they say are all you know our whole community that can be taken over by vehicles
um are there certain regions that are more concentrated in those areas or is
there what are the signs that people can look for to be aware of yeah
um you know the biggest one I look for is perfectionism
um where you see those perfect communities uh perfect lives
um you know that and where we see it promoted uh that’s usually where you got
some Brotherhood stuff going on in the cover lives um but yeah like you know the regions
that I grew up um knowing that were the most affected you know I would say would be like you
know the northern states um definitely Wisconsin was one Illinois
Chicago Indianapolis um you know Ohio
um you get a lot through there then you get kind of more of coastal areas Washington Oregon
um you know down the eastern coast um you know Salem Massachusetts all the
way down to the Florida areas and then you definitely got the southern areas
too Texas Louisiana um I don’t think that you know it’s it’s rare that you’ll find an area where you
don’t have um Brotherhood kind of infiltrating
um but you definitely have areas that are worse than others
so yeah and I know the areas that I grew up in again were Coastal you know California
Washington and that um in Virginia and so definitely experienced
um things in those places so it was interesting because I think I even mentioned where we were in Virginia
um we were out in the middle of nowhere and yet you know later found out we were
you know 10 miles from a major underground facility and then some other things you know and it’s
um our only safe place is you know in God um as our producer and
um you know he puts us in places to be a light um we just you know in the last year moved
to Texas and I did not want to move to Texas other than you know I was excited about our first grandbaby but um there
was nothing about Austin that appealed to me in any way I go into the downtown I can feel all
the stuff and it’s just like get me out of here but the Lord the Lord said he
said this is an upgrade for you I’ve prepared you for this and you know it’s like okay
you know I’m here for a reason you know wherever you are listening you’re there for a reason God has a plan and purpose
for you to be light to be salt to bring his kingdom
and uh you know to me it’s time for us to wake up as Christians not to be sleepy laodicean just caught up in her
own little perfectionism stuff right and be what we’re meant to be here so
I agree couldn’t agree more is there anything you want to share as
we get ready to close Jesse God I think that’s good for today
um yeah great discussion on just some of the things that you know I was thinking
back as we were talking about signs um things that we’re looking for I know I
think it some of them have been put up on kingdomliving with jessie.com but we
have a section called conversations uh that have a lot of video clips
so you can scroll through there I believe that some of the um you know times I’ve talked about
different signs symbols things that you’re looking for you can find there
um I know you know there’s been some blogs that have been done that really get into breaking down the signs the
symbols of the Illuminati and so look for those resources you know
those will help you and then definitely if you want to really get into it you can attend the land assignment coaching
that I do um which is free and you can attend as many as you want to attend
um the nice thing is that each time we do it it’s always different we got different people coming in different
locations and um you know we we discuss those locations so it really is a wealth of
information um you know learning how to how to interpret the signs and symbols that are
used in the system that you know mean different things so
that is so good and and the encouragement along with that not that we don’t move from Fear
and also you know um because I’ve seen some people get so
into the signs and symbols but that’s all they can think and talk about right
and it’s I I know in my own life I can be fascinated by certain things and like
oh I want to know more about this you know this is fascinating but coming back to that place of
um I want to be fascinated with Jesus alone and
um he’ll lead us to what we need to see when we need to see it um and he’ll show us these things you
know what what is the true what is as we submit in obedience to him and so
that’s that to me is the beauty beauty of this journey and great resources I I want to get in
on those land assignments um because that’s your thing to me I know I’m I’m here in Texas for a reason
wherever you are you’re there for a reason as well thank you so much Jesse always such a
privilege thank you and just encourage you um as listeners to like subscribe and
share if you know somebody who this would touch would be helpful to wake up
um and to see with Clear Eyes uh What the Lord Has for us please share
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thank you
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welcome to testimony Mountain it’s such a joy to be here with you and to be here
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with Jesse I always love being with Jesse that was a good conversation yes and we
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had an amazing time this last twice as two weekends ago now but
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um with beautifully adorned here and how how soon until that is up on your
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website for people to purchase yeah that should be available probably
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June July is the timing we’re looking for but we have had
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um Casey who was there with us that I do the Watchman podcast with uh several
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times a month uh he and I had a great discussion about it so I encourage
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people to watch that episode um you know he talks about all the things that happened there that were
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just so meaningful to him and really it was just such a powerful time
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um you know I know even though I was kind of you know teaching and directing things that I just felt the Lord moving
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so powerfully and I couldn’t have asked for you know a more beautiful better venue
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um you know it was so gracious to have it where we did because you know there was something it wasn’t you know it
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wasn’t like too big but at the same time it wasn’t too small like it was just perfect it had that you know
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that homey environment which made it more feel more safe I think for a lot of people
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so I actually got a lot of compliments on you know your hospitality and
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graciousness and that and people just really enjoyed it so good venue
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thank you well we’re looking forward to hosting you again in October so that
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will be fun shapes that up and it was a joy you know
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to have everyone here and I have to admit a couple days before I was like oh my goodness did I make a mistake is this
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gonna work you know but it was beautiful we made it work you know that’s part of
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the fun of the process you got to figure out all the challenges and you know but it turned out really well so
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thank you thank you and so we were just kind of chatting beforehand about what kind of to share
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and and I was just sharing with Jesse um not too long ago a friend and I went to
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a big conference event that um we’d been connected with this
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ministry in the past and hadn’t been for a while and um my friend comes from you know a new
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age background and she was able to spot a whole lot more things than I was coming from a Christian background of
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occult symbolism and different things that were present and you know it it
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caused us to have a lot of um amazing conversations in the midst of it but you
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know really talking about how do we as Christians uh walk this out not from a place of fear
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but from of wisdom and you know where has this stuff crept
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into the church and how do we spot it so we’ll just kind of launch from there whatever you’d like
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to share Jesse yeah I think you know I think we’re seeing a lot of you know that that
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creeping in and you know it I think it has definitely it’s not anything new
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like I think it’s been there all along it’s just we we weren’t taught to recognize it
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so you know for me I know one of the first things I start to look at Everywhere I Go
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you know is the symbols I’m seeing in the buildings the architecture
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um you know it sounded like you guys spotted some of that if you want to maybe share some of the things that you
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saw so they were in a new space and so they didn’t have time for fully decorating but what was there was kind of a
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honeycomb pattern or hexagon you know type of shape all over
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um all over the walls in different places and um even the light fixtures were kind of
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in that that format and the funny thing is is that later we were actually
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driving by and on the highway um there was that same pattern on the on
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the walls of the highway you know portions and it was just like oh my goodness you know sometimes when your
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eyes are open to things and um but I think you know part of the struggle for us was like okay it looks
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like a honeycomb and there’s biblical things in the Bible about honey and and
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the bee and so looking at it from a Christian perspective you’re like well that’s good you know sweetest honey
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um sweeter than the honeycomb you know in different passages me so but then you get to the solomonic
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Magic in the old Colton know that that hexagon you know represents
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you know ritual ground and you know different things like that you know where they’re
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going to be summoning and yeah um I mean I think part of the challenge
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comes in is are they aware of it and doing con doing it consciously
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or is it or is it just like design you know like is it what’s you know they go
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to the store and that’s what’s kind of being pushed and you know they’re like oh this is really cool let’s go with
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that you know they may even think like you did like oh the Bible talks about the honey and the honeycomb and you know
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and they have no clue that they’re putting all this symbology within their building you know
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and so I know a lot of people lately um who are becoming more and more interested in sacred geometry
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and is it all bad or is there something positive that the Lord puts well I think
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you know what the core of it we have to remember that it it was created by God
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you know that he spoke it into existence um he’s the one who gave you know to his
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spoken word he gave height breath dip a depth with you know so we have to always remember
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that that you know we serve such a creative amazing god
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um everything that he created was by Design uh meaning that you know he created it
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by that design to function and operate and to accomplish his word to perform it
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um so you know I always keep that in mind um now where we have some of that you
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know twisting or that uh perverse saying that that comes from the enemy that he
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takes those very things of God and uh makes it something associated with evil
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as well so we always have that you know that kind of that dual mirror of
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something that’s good and right and true and right next to it the same exact thing also means something that’s you
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know bad and ugly and perverse so um you know I think we need to
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always keep that in mind and and then the question becomes well what do we do with it you know do we get rid of
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everything that the enemy puts attaches meaning to that’s not good or do we
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redeem it do we you know give it back to the Lord
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and I think that’s the challenge um is a lot of Christianity has just run
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away from it um and been afraid of it and we don’t we
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don’t want to walk in fear of it um but then you know the Practical steps
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what do we do with it how do we make it so it’s holy again and appropriate
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right and I think for that you know it is I think where I always start is I will
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ask the Lord and say you know I mean if I have control over whatever it is so let’s say
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you know you you were one of those people you went into the store um design store and you picked out
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something that was popular you you know put it all in your church and now you find out oh my gosh it you know means
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something bad um you know instead of just destroying right away or getting rid of I always
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stop and pray I ask the Lord you know Lord is this uh you know according to
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your will what is your will in this matter do you want me to get rid of it you know I’m willing to do that or do
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you want me to anoint it and redeem it uh give it back to you and let the Lord lead you in that
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um you know I’ve had the Lord do very interesting things sometimes it’s not the answer that I’m expecting that he’s
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going to give especially in that Redemption mode um you know sometimes we miss out on the
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most beautiful Miracles because we don’t give the Lord the opportunity to redeem
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things yeah that is so good um you know and again
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that’s things that we have control over um I know I was kind of surprised I went
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to a friend’s house one time and her couch had kind of the squirrel patterns that you know are identified you know
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with pedophilia you know and I know that’s not not a part of her at all um but it just happened to be the design
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you know that she purchased or was given to her or any of those kinds of things
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and so um we get to walk it out mm-hmm
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so yeah and we see that you know it’s it’s hard because you know when we’re
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um learning to kind of understand these symbols and the different things that we’re seeing our Auto reaction is to
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automatically put something evil connected to it you know where everywhere we see the swirls we’re
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saying oh my gosh that must be a place of pedophilia and that’s not always the
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case um you know you have to have other indicators other things that kind of go
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along with that um you know we can’t be quick to judge we have to kind of allow the Lord to
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lead in that process and yet when we find out that it is something that’s not
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evil you know we need to be quick to obey the Lord in that um you know to get rid of or
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um dispose of things that are that he doesn’t want us to have
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yeah and there was another beautiful part of this service that I I think it’s the intention was beautiful and is
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beautiful is that um when people would come to give their
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offering they often have a gift there for you some little something with scripture on it or something you know
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and it and being connected with them for years I collected you know all of those and saved them until probably my last
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move and I was kind of like I probably need to clear out some of this but you know this coming this time
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coming knowing what I know now about how the occults can release
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um you know curses onto objects and because you gave um and you you know and you receive the
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gift that was an act permission and so it was it was one of those things
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of going you know first you’re kind of shocked when that realization hits you know and not saying that leadership is
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doing that but even if they had a volunteer who was you know pretending to be a
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Christian but was releasing it over you know the baskets and so on
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um you know and and in a moment there was like oh you know get me out of here type of thing but then it was like no I
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I’m here for a reason so Lord I just release your blood over every gift given
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every gift that’s received to just cover over that um and so that there’s no curses going
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into people’s homes um because it was like what a brilliant way of the enemy to get cursed objects into
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Christian’s home you know is through something like that and right
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but yeah you don’t you know it’s at the same time like you don’t want to be quick to judge like if it really you
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know it’s good to ask the Lord you know if the reaction is because of you know
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triggers from your past or your abuse or if really you know those were the
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intentions of their heart because the enemy can use it the other way too where then in fear we don’t receive
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um maybe a word that randomly the Lord had for us that day yeah you know
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sometimes it feels like it’s just it’s difficult um to walk through and navigate these
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things because you know I know for many people there’s an uncertainty and not necessarily
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knowing all the time um not knowing the hearts of the people that are there they can look good but
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you know how do you get to that place where you really know um whether the people that are you know
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serving you in those situations really if their intentions are good or not you
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know yeah that is is the challenge and I think that’s part of of the body
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um you know of Christ coming together um because like I was glad that my
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friend Nikki was with me because she had some information and some background that I don’t have and I think a lot of
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Christians what I’ve seen is when they kind of are trying to get out of religious boxes you know they go oh you
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know there’s good stuff here in the new age or there’s good stuff over here you know and the you know Christianity’s
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been afraid of it so they’ve just pushed it all away um and so they’re like embracing some of
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these things and it’s like well wait a minute you know but if you say anything then they’re like oh you’re just operated in fear and
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and I think there’s a place of wisdom and from relationship god
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um you know Discerning these things absolutely and not to be quick to you
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know throw those discernments out the window either you know to really stop and listen and a scripture says you know
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test the spirits and we have every right to test if it’s if it comes from the
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spirit of God or if it’s coming from you know an outside Spirit like a fallen uh
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angel or a demonic spirit so we need to not be afraid to do that
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either yeah yeah and there was an area particularly
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um there was a dance presentation that was given and some of the people who you
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know were at the you know trading the dancers and so on come from a
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um Native culture where certain things are you know and so like they had face
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paint on and what was particularly startling was um these three lines over the left eye
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um you know and so again do you go is it just cultural is this connected in the
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negative stuff from you know the native culture or
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you know so it’s it’s challenging mm-hmm
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and and navigating Discerning that too um yeah I think for me when I you know what
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I’m thinking at the moment is that you know in those moments you get hit with these triggers and how do you
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you know navigate those triggers and you know the only way that I found
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to do it is just to say okay Lord show me like show me what’s behind that you
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know all this imagery is getting thrown at me uh that revolves around a culture that
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you know they acknowledge God the Creator but they don’t acknowledge you know Jesus Christ or his death or
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Resurrection so um how do I you know navigate that
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is this just a fun play um or like you know I think the harder
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thing for those of us who have been through Satanic ritual is that you know
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a lot of times for rituals there would be ritual prep so it very indeed could
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be a play that you’re a part of that you’re having to act out but in that
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like you’re learning you know how to be precise for when that time of ritual
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comes so for many of us you know plays and other things can be triggers
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um because we see elements that are similar in that play to you know ritual
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prep things that we we went through so how do you separate that you know your
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next fear is oh my gosh like are these children going through ritual prep
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um or am I you know unvoluntarily yet because I’ve even just walked in the
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door I’m now willingly participating in a ritual you know which can all be horrifying
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thoughts to survivors in the moment of things
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yeah it it was interesting even just the frequency of you know the performance
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and and one of the leaders was wearing red shoes but at the next
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meeting he was used to a different color now did he just want to change his shoes did he know what no red shoes implies is
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every red shoe bad you know it’s it’s kind of those questions
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putting out there no no was he wearing it with a robe that’s a next question did he have a black robot
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yeah no I mean you’re just sitting there like oh my goodness like the distinguishing
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The Red Shoes yeah and and yet the um
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the very next um session was led by different leaders
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and it was so powerful and beautiful you could feel the spirit of the Lord it had
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a different feel it had a different frequency and so anyway these are just things that
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you know are out there that can be confusing or
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fear in you know generating um but the Lord I do believe can give us
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discernment to walk it out in wisdom yeah absolutely
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and that was the thing is there was an art of me that like I am never coming back again you know and then it was like
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that’s what I was going to ask what was your end kind of reaction to all of that yeah is that I I really think that it’s
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it’s that place of um really in relationship with the Lord
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hearing his voice to stay or to go um and you know I had some questions about
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some other friends that I know that are you know are connected to that Ministry
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um maybe they’re not aware maybe they don’t see it um you know some of them work in
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Deliverance Ministry and things like that and so it seems like some of these things would be obvious
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um but sometimes you don’t know what you don’t know um and sometimes I know that people are called to stay Within
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um you know someplace called by God to be Salt and Light in that Community yeah
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and that’s very true I think back to you know some of the churches that I’ve gone
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to where they were the ones where it’s like nope not coming back here and
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you know like for me I would pick up you know I guess I didn’t grow up learning
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it as you know Mason or Templar or you
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know those type of terms like you know I knew um luciferian Brotherhood and
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um you know protectors so you know it’s like there’s been times I’ve gone into churches and they’re
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smaller you know usually Southern Baptist or Lutheran
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um you know and I I went in to this one and it was like you know the the men
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automatically will come and greet you shake your hand and that’s usually you
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know the first thing like if they go in and all of a sudden like you find yourself you know where they’re just
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like you know grabbing on here you know for me it’s like hmm okay like now I’m
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alert is this person a Mason you know and then you know usually they start
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with the sermon you you start off with a Bible passage where you know they’ll cover a good deal
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of it but then pretty quick you know you start to pick up on the Brotherhood you
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know talk where they’re sending messages you know why are all the men there at church because they’re there to get
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their weekly message and assignments that they’re going to fulfill out in the community and you know that’s how I hear
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it I don’t hear the word of God I hear uh here’s your Brotherhood assignment and your quotas do your due diligence
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cause God forbid you don’t do your due diligence then you know there’s going to be consequences
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um you know so I pick up on stuff like that and then you know the epitome of it was
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then you know the one time they all um you know it’s like okay men let you know
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let’s enter into prayer for this young man and they call a young man up to the front and all of a sudden all the men
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are gathering but instead of a normal Gathering where you’re just gonna like come around put your hands on you know
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everybody it’s like all of a sudden like along the front of the altar you’ve got all the men kneeling uh not towards God
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but towards each other and uh I’m sitting there like oh my gosh
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I’m in the midst of a mass amount of Templars you know of protectors and it’s
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like all right you know and then they they do the recruiting thing you know oh
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well we you know you come once now your family you know we’re having this event next week and and you know we look so
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forward to seeing you next week and you’re sitting there like just let me out the door because I’m not coming back
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you know and every step you take you’ve got somebody coming in you know oh you
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know I’m so happy you came uh we’ll see you next week and you’re like no no you won’t uh I’m making my way towards that
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door you let me out you know and it’s hard because
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um you know as Christians we should be that family we should be embracing and encouraging you know
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um but again when you see those signs um and I like I
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you know part of my programming was to be extremely naive and accepting of
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anything and everything and um uh and I I mentioned one time you know about how my parents took all fiction
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out of my life and so it was like you only said what was true and didn’t
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um and I can’t remember if I if I share this on that so it was such a struggle for me because uh
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uh I just believed anything anybody said you know and so if you’re being warm and
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friendly like that you know I’m just gonna believe that you really want to see me and you really
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have good intention for me you know and not realize other agendas um but I I
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shortly after we were married and my husband had so much fun with this because I was so naive
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and um we went to I think it was Universal Studios and it was like just after their Jurassic Park you know
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exhibit or thing you know ride and I and they had printed out this
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thing you know telling the story you know about how dinosaurs you know they made all this thing you know and
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and I believed it you know and you’re like wow look at that
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look at that you know yeah although my husband oh he had such a good laugh over that but anyway
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um but oftentimes you know I think we can have very naive Christian programming that just accepts anything
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and everything um and and the way the programming in is is not understanding the light side of the
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system it’s like this is dark over here this is bad we stay away from it and all of this is
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good and so as long as it’s a good story so if it’s in the church building it’s
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got to be good if the pastor says it it’s got to be good you know right
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and not realizing it also extends then to the professional or the specialized
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category that because they say it it must be true it must be tested it must be all right
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if they say it’s bad for me that must be true you know trust the science
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right trust the science and or the medical you know or the pharmacia
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um yep and they get you to to just accept it without thinking through or asking
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the Lord yourself you know well and I was raised in a medical family my my dad’s a doctor my mom’s a
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nurse and you know so it was always trust you know the professionals they know
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what they’re doing it’s it’s been a wake-up call on you
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know multiple multiple levels I agree that I think huge wake-up calls
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for many people you know I wonder how many really feel that too like you know everything that we thought you
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know we knew and trusted you know I think back to you know when I was growing up in the 80s you know
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through the 90s you know how many families or you know friends families did I have that you
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know watched all of the the daily shows on television you know Oprah and all the
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others and they would take all those housewife shows everything that was out of there you know had to be valid and
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true and you know families were run off of those things and yet now we see you
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know the very people that we trusted being the very people that you know have been part of the plotting for our demise
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and the destruction of our families and family units
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yeah and particularly I mean we didn’t have a lot of TV mostly growing up but in my you know later teens
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um we did watch um NBC News at dinner time you know around the table and so Tom Brokaw was
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our friend I mean he was he was there with us every single night you know
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right and it it just becomes a part of life that it’s like you know he’s got to
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be true um so it’s it’s challenging what television media
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you know how it ingrains things in you yeah
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or people you know I think of too like you know growing up there were people who were known by you know their
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Specialties or you know um especially like in the church you
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know it’s like oh you honor that person because you know they’re an elder or you
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know they’re a matron or a patron um you know that person’s event or
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invested they’ve spent how much money on the Children’s Program you know
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and and so you you know like you’re taught like who you can trust and who
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who are safe people and you’re taught not to question those people or
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challenge them in any way you know because they know they went to Seminary
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all those years ago you know they have studied the Bible they’ve been a former
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Pastor you know and that’s what I you know personally
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it’s like um leaders pastors they’re just people
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like any of us I mean my my husband and I pastor but it’s it’s been this Focus
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for us of being real and being vulnerable and being honest about the struggles that we go through so that
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people don’t put us on a pedestal as much um because it becomes idolatry it really
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is idolatry um and it it’s bad for the person we’re idolizing and it’s bad for us
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um but our whole culture is built around it um you know from moving cars and
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you know music and the church um it’s a whole system of
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a hierarchy system of you know honoring who’s ever up on the top
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um yeah instead of the body of Christ that you know God talks about is that every
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you know person has something to contribute and that that was the Way Church used to be uh you know in in the
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early church was you know each person brings something to to the Gathering you know
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instead of being Spectators the whole time so yeah well I’m curious we didn’t
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talk about this ahead of time um but you know these these gray areas that exist in you know all of the Realms
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that we’ve talked about also exist in
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um the trafficking movements and so even like I know that Tim Ballard
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has a new movie coming out sound of freedom and some people are like no no
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don’t go see it don’t don’t fund it because they’re just trafficking children while they’re making it look like they’re not trafficking children
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so I don’t know um how does a person know
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um what is safe to watch and participate and what um is better to leave
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on the other hand too you know the argument is is that you know do we do we
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support organizations when you know they’re when they’re helping to create
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awareness um you know for me as a kid
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um a lot of times you know this exact same situation is how things would get
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shut down is that you know nobody would be talking about
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um you know the the ritual stuff or the things that were really happening behind
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the scenes um you know so in a way as sad as it is
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I think that there’s moments where we have to really Embrace when something is
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being vocalized um you know and and look at it that way too
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that hey you know we need to create awareness about this how do we do that
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um you know many of us we don’t have the means to you know really massively get
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the awareness out there uh the theaters is a huge thing you know the fact that
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they’re actually allowing that topic and um you know people are beginning to
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learn about it and invest in it like that’s that’s what I want to see is that
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um you know they’re that they’re investing in that awareness of what is really happening and then
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they’re going to take that and then you know begin the conversations in their home in their work in their community
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um you know it is hard because who do you trust in this
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um you know there’s a lot of people I certainly do not believe are good who
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claim to be doing good um in the realm of anti-trafficking
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um so you know there’s a there’s a wide challenge there and I you know I think
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really you know we can’t tell each other what to do I think really you know each
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person needs to seek the Lord and say you know Lord do you want me to see that
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um is it going to open doors of avenues of conversation uh places where I go and
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with people I meet or Lord you know is more of the witness
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um for me if I don’t go you know if I take an active stance against this
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um I think that within that um both those decisions I think that the
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Lord honors people in both of those that we’re going to see you know people who
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are using that as an Evangelistic tool um you know as a way to promote those
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discussions and I think we’re going to see people that also are going to you
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know have a witness and a testimony by abstaining from it um
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you know I think it can be used both ways and you know this is an area where
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you know there isn’t a scriptural verse that um you know it’s kind of like when Paul
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talks to the Corinthians about um you know for their their love piece
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with you know that some of them were bringing meat uh but the me they got was
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offered to Idols because all the grocery stores in their day the the markets you
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know the meat was always offered first to the idols and they were saying well how can you bring me that’s been offered
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to an idol to church with you know there were some people who didn’t want to consume it because it had been offered
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to Idols yet there were those that were like you know it’s me God made it uh he
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gave it to us it’s good for our bodies um you know we can pray and we can
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rebuke any Spirits attached to it and now there’s not a problem we can you
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know eat this meat um so it’s kind of the same situation
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and what did Paul advise in that you know and not we’re not saying that those
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that you know have have that element of fear or uncertainty are weak but you
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know I’m using Paul’s terms he classified those that didn’t want to eat the meat as the weaker brothers and he
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said you know that the that the stronger ones were not too
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um judge them for that but at the same time the weaker ones were not to judge
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the stronger brothers that each were to do as the Lord LED them to do yeah and
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um so I think that this is really one of those situations that you know that we
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can make that decision based on what God puts on our heart and what’s right for us but we’re not necessarily to judge
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our other brothers you know I mean you can’t you can’t say
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that all that money is only used for trafficking or that it’s promoting or
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financing trafficking like that’s where you know the weaker Brothers tend to go with that is you know that you’re
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promoting you know your um you know funding into trafficking
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well at the same time you know those who are stronger in that say well the Lord
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knows that everything I succeed into is seed for the kingdom of God and that
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there’s a Redemptive work going on um you know they’re fighting for the gold refined by fire so
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I think that that’s the best way to approach that um but it’s difficult you know because
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it’s it’s an undefined area in Scripture yeah
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totally agree and again it’s each one being led and not judging one another because the reality is every day of our
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life most likely we are connected into the system in some way um you know we use Amazon if we use
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Google if we use go to Walmart if we you know any we pay we pay rent we pay bills
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you know I mean who who owns those companies who’s getting the money at the end of the day you know there’s no we
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have to go to the grocery store and buy food or you know go to a farmer but we
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you know we can choose Christian Farmers or we can grow our own but there’s so many things in our lives that we you
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know we don’t have control over um you know that it makes it difficult if
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you’re one of those people saying you know you’re not going to feed into the system at all
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um that’s quite the challenge and quite the Endeavor to not do that I mean I
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think you’d have to live off grit completely off grid out in the middle of nowhere have owned your property and not
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have any interaction with Society to actually not have a vehicle or gas or you know
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the Amish the Amish have it right no I’m just kidding their own issues they’re infiltrated
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they’re infiltrated too which is the sad part even if you lived as the Amish they’re infiltrated too
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um but I you know I know I had a you know there was similar controversy over you know the Jesus Revolution movie and
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um you know I personally took the stand not to because
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um you know with one of the main characters being a knight’s Templar I wasn’t sure what kind of signaling he
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might be doing that you know as an overcoming Survivor I’m still in process
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of you know getting those things out of my life and so I felt like I couldn’t
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recommend it to survivors from the sense of you know there could be some subtle
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things that could trigger certain things you know but being able to be aware of
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those things and at the same time hearing reports of many people who went and were so powerfully moved and blessed
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you know yeah and so being able to trust God to lead each one of us in you know
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these decisions where it’s like well should I be supporting that should I be you know is there bad stuff in there
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that’s gonna you know do something um I mean right now almost anything in
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Hollywood is going to have all kinds of things um you know and so it’s it’s how do we
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approach it if the Lord releases us to go I’m going with my eyes wide open now
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not just passively going well it’s just entertainment I’m just
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gonna relax and zone out right yeah I had that happen back you
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know in my early 20s um that was when the the movie uh the craft came to theaters and we had about
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a month’s notice and the Lord had told me before it came to the theater that he wanted me to get a group of
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people together to pray and intercede and he told us specifically to go to the
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movie which normally I I probably would not have gone to a theater uh for a movie like that but as we did that
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um you know it was quite the experience because uh we had real witches and warlocks that showed up at that Premiere
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and um they you know also a ton of young girls that came and as we were sitting
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in there literally those witches and warlocks out loud were casting spells
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and like the main audience was like you know didn’t even hear him didn’t even act
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like anything was happening and we’re just standing there you know sitting there praying we’re like what in the
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world is going on with this this is so surreal and uh you know after it was done those
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witches and warlocks began to Target those girls and recruit and invite and we were right alongside of them
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witnessing to the girls as they were doing that you know being like no you
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really don’t want to go to that you know like you’re Christian right well look at what you’re looking at you know here’s a
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witch standing right here you know and they’re trying to entice you with power
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and other things um so you know things like that do happen at movies and um you know in fact
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it was at a movie once that I had you know experience where um
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there was trafficking of children and uh the theater they uh the building right
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next door was abandoned and um you know it’s like I this guy came in
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with me and my kids um you know he he had two uh kids with
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him but I just kept looking I’m like this guy can’t be a dad like he he was just
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too young and I mean you know a father of children when you see it so you’re like okay is this an uncle a older
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brother like you know this is not a dad yet he claimed to be a dad and immediately you
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know like we went we got snacks and I noticed that you know the little boy ran into the theater but then I didn’t see
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him again after that so it was like well where’d that little boy go you know and we found out later he had gone through
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the exit um that was there in that theater room and had opened up then
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um one of the doorways to the abandoned building um
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and uh and the little girl she kept getting up you know where at first it’s
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like okay she’s it’s it’s not even the movie hasn’t even started we’re just at the commercials and she’s already gotten
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up like 10 times no you know I’m like does she have disabilities I mean most
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children are not gonna have to pee that much you know you’re like what what is she getting up for and finally I mean it
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was so bad that I finally the last time she got up I got up too and went and you
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know bathroom doors were open she was not in there so it’s like okay where is this little girl where is
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this guy who was with her um you know and and I saw the staff were
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really concerned too you know trying to figure out like you know they’re like yeah something’s not right with that
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situation and you’re like no no it’s not um so you know being aware of these things
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you know would be interesting um just keeping your eyes open I think for those that do go see the movie I you
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know I think that that is a good thing is that you know it’s gonna show you how
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some of this has been operating yet it’s not the only way that things operate so
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we have to keep that in mind as well that is so good um and I I love how you were able to be
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right where you were meant to be um you know in that theater with the witches to to be that Witness
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and it’s hard to know sometimes we see suspicious activity like you were mentioning and you know it’s like what
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what can I do and um one time we were driving across the
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United States and it was during winter time the roads were icy there was two
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semis that jackknifed and completely cut off you know the whole highway and so we um
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you know we saw that this had happened ahead of time and you know got on our Google Maps and it showed a possible way
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that we could get around it and so we went on this route you know I don’t know five or six miles in and then that road
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came to a dead end it was like well Google Maps is not working you know and so we headed back to where we had
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left the main road and there was a big truck stop there and we thought oh well you know we’ll just stop here use the
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restroom and you know get refreshed and so on and so um I win in the women’s bathroom and
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it was just me and at the mirror was this Native American Girl just beautiful
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just beautiful and just staring at herself in the reflection and you know I
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thought that was kind of odd I went into the stall and then it kind of hit me it was like oh my she’s being trafficked to
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all these truckers here at this truck stop and you know my heart just went out to
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her and it was just like praying and just even reaching out in the spirit just releasing the love of
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God and just you know speaking uh from my spirit you know you don’t have to do
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this you don’t have to do this you know and I stayed in there longer than I needed to just just praying for her
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um and then as soon as I came out she just started out you know but it was one of those things where our our car was
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piled up you know there wasn’t any room in the back seat and you know but it was like oh if I could only grab this girl
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and put her in my car and she could sit on my lap and you know but but at the same time the Practical thing is then I
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would be stealing yeah they would immediately turn and hunt you and you know come for
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her that’s the hardest part is that you know how do you get him out safely
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um you know even if you’re willing to put your own life in danger
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um still that doesn’t solve the issue uh necessarily because it just means more
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people you know you end up dead um therefore she has no more further
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help and they still just take her back into the system so you know it really is difficult
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um I’ve heard a lot of different ideas you know people that would leave um
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you know if they had resources near them that helped you know with trafficking or
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helped get traffic to women out um they would leave um little cards in the bathroom stalls
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or you know really those bathroom star stalls are really the only place those women get a moment of privacy sometimes
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um you know or they would like sketch numbers on the stall walls or things
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like that um but it’s hard because they you know usually their handlers are going to be
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checking over everything too as they get in and get out you know
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but if you leave something many some of these women will memorize the numbers
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um you know when they get a chance to get away that’s what they’ll call but it’s it is a very difficult situation
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yeah and I think one of the things that I hear from some Christians is just like
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you know the occult has all the power they’re organized they’re doing all of this stuff and the church is just
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passive and weak and you know what what do you feel is is the
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answer to that I I think we need you know that’s part of the Kingdom living
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um with jessie.com is that I think that we need to restore that Authority
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uh to Believers in the church and you know what we teach in different
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things in there I encourage people to take my land assignment course
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um I go you know I go through kind of how the Brotherhood Works how it
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operates what you need to be aware of but as you get into the second course for that we begin to talk about you know
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true prayer and intercession you know once you have that knowledge how do you
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begin to tear down that wickedness in your community
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um how do you restore the body of Christ to operating like it’s supposed to be operating so you don’t have that
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wickedness um continuing and really it takes many of us to join
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together um you know to make the mass impact that
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we were designed to have on this world um you know scripture says that all
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creation waits in hopeful expectation for the revealing of the sons of God you know
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the Lord applauds when we are ready to step into that place of authority and
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operate like we’re supposed to and I think there’s there’s different
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dimensions of that you know there are needed booths on the ground people and there’s also things that we can do from
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the Heavenly realm from the courts um right and partner with the Lord in
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that are amazing and fantastic I know um I lead a group every week called for
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the least of these and you know we just explore you know with God what can we do
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today um you know we’ve done a lot in the spirit and people go well they’re just
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Airy Fairy stuff you know how do you know if that’s impacting the Earth well you know we just do it with the Lord we
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just be obedient to him and believe that it is having an impact you know as we’re
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obedient to him step by step yeah in the in the area of the church
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like um a lot of people are like well all the
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big churches are infiltrated but then there’s a lot of little churches in Midwest that you know
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they say are all you know our whole community that can be taken over by vehicles
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um are there certain regions that are more concentrated in those areas or is
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there what are the signs that people can look for to be aware of yeah
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um you know the biggest one I look for is perfectionism
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um where you see those perfect communities uh perfect lives
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um you know that and where we see it promoted uh that’s usually where you got
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some Brotherhood stuff going on in the cover lives um but yeah like you know the regions
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that I grew up um knowing that were the most affected you know I would say would be like you
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know the northern states um definitely Wisconsin was one Illinois
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Chicago Indianapolis um you know Ohio
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um you get a lot through there then you get kind of more of coastal areas Washington Oregon
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um you know down the eastern coast um you know Salem Massachusetts all the
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way down to the Florida areas and then you definitely got the southern areas
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too Texas Louisiana um I don’t think that you know it’s it’s rare that you’ll find an area where you
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don’t have um Brotherhood kind of infiltrating
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um but you definitely have areas that are worse than others
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so yeah and I know the areas that I grew up in again were Coastal you know California
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Washington and that um in Virginia and so definitely experienced
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um things in those places so it was interesting because I think I even mentioned where we were in Virginia
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um we were out in the middle of nowhere and yet you know later found out we were
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you know 10 miles from a major underground facility and then some other things you know and it’s
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um our only safe place is you know in God um as our producer and
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um you know he puts us in places to be a light um we just you know in the last year moved
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to Texas and I did not want to move to Texas other than you know I was excited about our first grandbaby but um there
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was nothing about Austin that appealed to me in any way I go into the downtown I can feel all
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the stuff and it’s just like get me out of here but the Lord the Lord said he
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said this is an upgrade for you I’ve prepared you for this and you know it’s like okay
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you know I’m here for a reason you know wherever you are listening you’re there for a reason God has a plan and purpose
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for you to be light to be salt to bring his kingdom
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and uh you know to me it’s time for us to wake up as Christians not to be sleepy laodicean just caught up in her
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own little perfectionism stuff right and be what we’re meant to be here so
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I agree couldn’t agree more is there anything you want to share as
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we get ready to close Jesse God I think that’s good for today
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um yeah great discussion on just some of the things that you know I was thinking
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back as we were talking about signs um things that we’re looking for I know I
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think it some of them have been put up on kingdomliving with jessie.com but we
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have a section called conversations uh that have a lot of video clips
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so you can scroll through there I believe that some of the um you know times I’ve talked about
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different signs symbols things that you’re looking for you can find there
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um I know you know there’s been some blogs that have been done that really get into breaking down the signs the
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symbols of the Illuminati and so look for those resources you know
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those will help you and then definitely if you want to really get into it you can attend the land assignment coaching
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that I do um which is free and you can attend as many as you want to attend
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um the nice thing is that each time we do it it’s always different we got different people coming in different
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locations and um you know we we discuss those locations so it really is a wealth of
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information um you know learning how to how to interpret the signs and symbols that are
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used in the system that you know mean different things so
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that is so good and and the encouragement along with that not that we don’t move from Fear
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and also you know um because I’ve seen some people get so
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into the signs and symbols but that’s all they can think and talk about right
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and it’s I I know in my own life I can be fascinated by certain things and like
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oh I want to know more about this you know this is fascinating but coming back to that place of
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um I want to be fascinated with Jesus alone and
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um he’ll lead us to what we need to see when we need to see it um and he’ll show us these things you
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know what what is the true what is as we submit in obedience to him and so
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that’s that to me is the beauty beauty of this journey and great resources I I want to get in
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on those land assignments um because that’s your thing to me I know I’m I’m here in Texas for a reason
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wherever you are you’re there for a reason as well thank you so much Jesse always such a
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privilege thank you and just encourage you um as listeners to like subscribe and
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