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31 July 2023

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thank you welcome to testimony Mountain such a joy
to have Jesse back we’ve had different schedules with vacation and
travel and so I’ve missed being together but really happy to be back and Jesse do
you want to share some upcoming things I know you’ve got something in Maine August 10th through 12th we have the
beautifully adorned Workshop that’s up in Maine and you can go to my website
kingdomlivingwithjessy.com to get tickets for that and that’s going to be we had the first beautifully adorned
course at edina’s um place and that turned out excellent uh so the workshop is just a little
different it’s not the full course uh we’ll take segments of the course but it’s really meant to give people time
where we’re doing more like a workshop and in a group setting you’ll be able to work through some of the different
tools and techniques that we teach that help people work through their healing
process Journey so um it’s got all the same goody good nuggets
that are in the course but uh the bonus is that you get to be in a group setting and get to work with a group
um as you’re working on your healing process so very Dynamic and I’m really excited for it so
it’s fantastic and we’re looking forward to having you come back here to the Austin area in October we gotta talk
about that yes so lots of good stuff coming up but I really encourage people is you know it’s
one thing to you know watch the course and have mental Ascent here but really going deep in community and
walking those tools out is so so so very important so encourage people to be able
to go to that main if you’re anywhere near and if the Lord is leaving and if you’re not able to come to Maine
the course is now available on the website Kingdom living with Jesse and just look for the beautifully adorned
course um it’s got several sections
um you know we did two full days with that and um it it really is powerful uh
the one thing with the course and the work that you’re not going to get in the workshop is in the course we really break down how programming Works
um even for people who may not know that they’re in a specific program it’s become a base for some of our
Educational Systems and things so we break that down and um it you know it’s
meant to really help you understand how the system works how they fit the
average people into the system and how you break free from that so
and it’s so good to know this and I I believe that getting the information out
to um to the church to understand this and
you know I think it was Kathy Fox but something out recently about um the percentage of people who are mind
controlled you know in the United States potentially the world just based on estimates but then you know it was
interesting because she gave a percentage and it was a very very small percentage she said of people who
actually know that they are in the system and so you know that was
the case for me is I didn’t know until a couple of you know years ago that that was the case
and so you know I have people go oh well that’s not me I don’t you know I wasn’t in the system I wasn’t you know
and not understanding dissociation and how it is possible to be completely
oblivious to how you were used or are being used and you know I say that not
from a place of fear but from a place of overcoming you know is yeah because we
were in the system we have an incredible opportunity for restoration um with the Lord so
anyway we’re going to dive in today we were just chatting beforehand uh I was in
Florida for some different things visited with a friend and uh she invited
my husband and I to go see sound of freedom and I know this is a controversial thing
um in the body of Christ and even nationally for everything and I was not planning to go because of
some of the roots of just what I’ve studied the people that are connected to it and so on
um and then she bought tickets before I knew what was happening
and I’m sorry I gotta go and so I felt the Lord saying it was
okay to go and um to just go with intention to go to release blessing
um and the love of God and forgiveness um and to be able to see you know
because I’ve talked to different groups about why you know I don’t think it’s this great great movie that everybody
should necessarily see I thought well I should see it to see if what I’m talking about you know
um and so I just wanted to open up kind of some discussion on that so do you have some thoughts Jesse on that I do so
what I think I would like to start with is what I like about it is you know I I
like the what would we call it the awareness for the topic itself of trafficking
um I think that every you know individual needs to be aware of how vast and how big
um the organized trafficking of children and women is and so you know I love that it creates
that awareness it shows some of the methods um you know it’s not the only way
um you know it primarily focuses on um I would call it like groups that do
modeling or Talent searches how they you know pull kids in through those
um you know and making those connections with the parents getting them to drop the kids off thinking that this is going
to be you know something that will give their child success and the next thing you know the child is missing and
um you know but as a parent you’ve signed contracts you’ve signed Thanksgiving them permission so
basically they have all legal rights to have your child and now you have no idea
where your child is so you know but keep in mind that that’s just one of the ways
you know we’ve spoken of so many other ways that the system traffics children
so I think that that’s great but there was a lot that I saw that really was
concerning not with the movie or the material in the movie itself but again
like you said with those around it or the interconnections to those who have
made or who are marketing on this film
yes do you are you able to share some of those connections or
yeah I think you know like for me growing up in that system you know right
away I see uh people wearing distinguishing marks like necklaces or things that I know uh
mean that they’re part of an order that they’re connected to an order that is
paid for by the Vatican um you know so that it’s like why why are it why is the Vatican promoting this
movie um you know and I know that several of the individuals are connected to that
same order so that was a big red flag um another one was at the very end that
you know it just can’t be coincidence but they had a huge Pay It Forward thing
they were promoting but the Pay It Forward cost for tickets was six dollars
so you know when you think about that six six six you know you’re like
okay so the Vatican is fundraising Pay It Forward tickets but they’re all six
six six you know um yeah so it just you know I I think those
things are coincidental um some of the other things is the easy access that they’re getting places
um you know I am an eyewitness um Satanic ritual and crimes against
children and crimes against humanity yet you know I I struggle to get my foot
anywhere to have my voice heard yet a secondary Witnesses
um you know these individuals are able to get into um get easy access to places
uh to have their voice heard you know in some ways I’m I’m thankful because hey
great somebody’s Paving the way now let Jesse speak right yeah
um but on the other hand if it really shuts the door for true eyewitnesses
um you know that is something to be concerned about yeah and I I believe there’s also the the
Mormon connection as well that’s there yeah and I think for me you know watching it
um again with intention with the Lord you know that the emphasis was kind of
on you know here’s America saving the day and saving children from other
countries and you know at the very end in you know just
white letters on a black screen it did say the truth that um you know the United States is the
biggest consumer um you know of sex trafficking and participating in that but the whole
movie you know the the frequency of it was you know good America you know
rescuing other people instead of going hey this is happening you know right
next country yeah yeah because I mean they didn’t even get into you know the trafficking that’s happening through the
Mormon church or the Catholic church or even CPS
um you know in our country alone there is so much trafficking happening
and you know the just those looking at those three things would just be scratching the surface of of how it’s
happening yeah and so it’s great that it the topic is
being exposed but also it’s not the full picture it felt like you know half truths
um in some places even potentially lies you know in that um they had this scene where uh
you know kids were being snatched off the street and it you know as a parent it’s quite traumatizing as you know
grandparent you know it’s like oh no you know it it stirs up this fear
when the percentage of kids who are taken that way um my understanding is very small in
comparison to churches schools Boy Scout other grooming CPS and breeder programs
so right and then you have you know it kind of
took a look at you know we’ll say a parrot military group that you know was focused on or
former you know they became former government employees you know who
devoted themselves to doing that rescuing and stuff when you know in my
experience and many other survivors experience you know the military the law enforcement
that is a huge bulk of those who are highly involved especially with child
pornography and um you know so it was almost like there was a diversion like they’re creating
awareness of exposing the issue but at the same time they’re diverting our eyes
away from you know who really is involved how vast is this and how is this really happening
and it kind of desensitizes you know because people think oh well the reality
is not that many children really get snatched so now we can be relieved this
really isn’t a problem in our area that we need to be concerned about when the truth is is that you know how
our children being trafficked even to military law enforcement you
know it’s happening straight out of our Public Schools where kids are showing may show up you know why did the
majority of the schools say that they’re that every child has to be there
um to be marked for attendance you know in the morning um you know they’ll say it’s because of
their school funding well I would propose that really it’s because you
know where’s that funding really coming from it’s coming from special programs and our schools are part of the biggest
you know suppliers of children um to the military and other groups that
are trafficking children and you know it’s like you go you get Mark’s present
and then you go to your special trainings um
you know which may be off campus may not be yeah you know and it always looks
like you’re there you have Community people who work within volunteer within those schools who will vouch the
children are there and no matter what the child says um you know you’ve got adult witnesses that
will give you the narrative of what is really happening wow wow and kind of going back to that
ease of access I’ve been noticing kind of this same thing where where um
uh reading books like if there’s I you know and I honor all survivors and
whistleblowers I really do for getting out whatever truth they can but I was reading an excellent one but they were
pointing out all of these other you know forms of the system but they were
pro-catholic you know and it was like oh that’s why it was so easy to get this book you know
the Books of survivors that you can’t get they’re out of print or that are 500 on Amazon or something like that
um you know they’re more likely telling the full truth and so it is interesting
you know to look at these things to go okay well you may be telling this part
of the story but you’re not telling this part of the story or you’re promoting something that
is another part of the system you know and whether it’s whether they’re aware
of that or not it’s just something to be able to see not to be paranoid about everything you read
they may or may not be aware you know of what they’re doing
um but having Grace right yeah and I think that’s important
because you know within that system there’s always that dichotomy of of the good and
the evil and in your trauma you know or we’ll say
in general in the trauma bonding experience they will always have two those two
groups of people in that child’s life you know they’ll set up who who are your abusers and who
are your safe people and they will direct you towards individuals that
really you do know as your safe people and you know you’re safe people may be
your abusers too but because you’re taught that they’re your safe people and
maybe they’re not as aggressive or graphic or you know horrific in their abuse so you you automatically associate
um that abuse with love and tenderness and kindness and you’re like oh no that person’s good to me and you know that
person loves me even though that person is abusing you too yeah
yeah and I I think most Christians don’t know don’t understand these types of
things I think we were raised like it’s either good or it’s bad and not not understanding how the system
uses both of those things to to intermingle yeah and I think that that
might be part of the you know the division that you see you know in the
Christian Community in the Survivor Community about you know sound of freedom is they’re like but it’s good
but it’s good it’s drawing attention you know and um I was you know mentioning to you earlier
talking to a friend about how um
the the fervor of the division seems so much more than just hey you don’t want
to see the movie you don’t want to see the movie that’s okay you know like okay I’m gonna see that matter I’m not gonna
see Batman you know who cares but this really intensity to it and it got me to
to thinking about you know the power of you know it’s not more powerful than God of course but how the system will put
out those curses and Witchcraft types of stuff and I feel that that is possibly what’s
going on with the sound of Freedom with intention to divide you know the Christian Community do you
have any thoughts on that yeah I think I mean I see the same thing too where you know either way there
seems to be a curse with it like you know if you’re it seems like if you’re
not going what I’ve been hearing is a lot of attacks like oh well then you’re not really like for stopping child
trafficking or you know like why would you not invest your money in stopping child trafficking
yet those who say don’t go you know they’re like well you know things are shoddy and you’re supporting those who
are trafficking so either way it seems like there’s a curse with it
and it really brought me back to there’s a passage in the book of Corinthians I
think it’s First Corinthians where we see this same type of division happening
in the early church and Paul addresses that issue in what was happening was that you had
um you know they would get together for dinners and um feasts and and what would happen is
that people would bring food uh that they all would share and partake in but
you had some people that you know were kind enough to bring the meat
but the problem was was that the only places you could buy meat were at the
meat markets and it would always be offered to Idols first before it was sold
so some of the Believers were pitching a fit saying you know that me we can’t eat
it it was offered to idols and you know then you had those who really had no
problem with it they were like everything belongs to God God knows that it was offered to Idols but yet it’s you
know it’s redeemed it’s fine you know as long as we pray over it God’s Gonna
bless whatever we put into our body because he knows me is important to us
so you had this argument and what does Paul say you know he calls those that
you know were were afraid to eat the meat because they thought they would be judged by God for it he tells you know
those who have no issue with it to be sensitive to the weaker brother not to
judge them not to say bad things you know not to condemn them for their belief you know that’s fine if they
don’t want to eat the meat don’t make them eat the meat don’t gloat while you’re eating the meat you know just
quietly sit there and eat your meat without you know making it an issue
and so you know I think that that speaks truth even for today you know we because
that’s where the division is is that you know we’re not just allowing people to make
their choice we’re putting a judgment with it you know we’re using it with a
judgment to divide and you know it has I’ve I’ve heard from some people that
they’ve lost relationships over this movie wow and
you know it’s like this is not even the tough stuff people like wait till the truth you know wait till the survivors
start getting to really speak out like if you want the tough stuff we’re not even there yet so you know these are
certainly not issues that should be dividing us yet but
I think the reality is is that we need to prepare our hearts that there are going to be
things coming in the near future that will divide and we’re told that the
Divide is so so extreme you know where father will turn against sun and Sun
against father and you know I’m seeing this kind of this Uprising this violence
that is accompanied with this division where people really get violent towards
each other about it and about defining that dividing line
so those are things we need to be preparing ourselves for uh because things aren’t going to be a
nice cake walk um you know it’s time to put on our big boy
pants and big girl pants and you know understand that we are in a war you know
this is a spiritual war and that phys that spiritual war is going to manifest
physically as well yes and I think you know understanding that
you know the basis of who God is is love and that love expressed in relationship
and the relationship trumps belief systems and you can’t make someone else believe
something um that they’re not ready for um you know you can influence you can
you know gently encourage but when we try to make that a a dividing Factor on
whether we’re going to you know be friends with someone or be around someone you know it it becomes very
uh not so good you know yeah you just reminded me there’s another
great book um that kind of talks about this issue but um
I’m forgetting his name is something spear but it’s called Christ at the round table it’s from early
1940s I think 40s 50s but he was a missionary in India and what’s neat
about that book is he’s got some chapters that um where he he was a friend to Gandhi
and he talked about Gandhi’s beliefs that Gandhi did not believe in Jesus
Christ and he was with Gandhi um in his passing and said that even in
his passing Gandhi um you know rejected Jesus Christ he
believed that his good works would get him into heaven so kind of just what you were saying
there is you know that relationship how you know this individual he still you
know ministered to Gandhi was there with him as he passed and you know just like
God does he he allowed Gandhi to be in his in his decisions you know he wasn’t
pushing Jesus down his throat or bumping him over a head with a Bible
um he allowed Gandhi to you know reap the consequences for his choices yeah wow wow and and so that
type of love that’s willing to invest in someone not um with the expectation of you have to
be saved or I won’t be your friend but just simply loving you know and that’s what we we should be about
um that’s what we should be known for and um yeah I was just talking to a gal
coming you know who came out of the LGBT and trans community and she said that was the first place where she felt
accepted and loved and so you know I really honor her testimony because she’s passionate about
loving these people while still having that you know conviction of you
know that it is it is sin but not coming at it from let me beat you over the head with it the
header be strict you know it’s funny because um for a time I did a lot of Street Ministry and dealt with a lot of gothics
and you know we’ll call it just alternative subgroups
um you know that kind of revolve around goth Satanism uh luciferianism and stuff
and the biggest thing that all that was a common denominator
between the majority of the individuals that were in were sucked into those type
of subculture Ministry groups um was that they came from very over
dominating strict religious homes where it wasn’t about relationship with God or
with one another it really was about you know that religious spirit and
um that religious spirit drove people straight into witchcraft Satanism goth
vampirism um you know they wanted nothing to do with religion yet the majority of those
people when you really take the time to sit down and have a discussion about God
or theological things some of the most profound
in-depth complex spiritual conversations that I have ever had
um you know it would just blow my mind where it’s like wow like you know I mean they would talk about such they had such
a depth of understanding of really of God even though you know they wouldn’t claim
to have that personal relationship with Jesus Christ but they understood spiritual truths and
a lot of times lived it more than those who claim to have to have that you know the religious
experience and it’s it’s it’s tough walking it out
um but I believe you know that that is one of the keys in in this season what
we need most is that love is that unconditional love being demonstrated
even when it’s difficult or hard and I think you know really how is that
I I think you know demonstrated is a great word but I think there’s another word and that word is experience and you
know as I’ve gone through my chaplain career what I’ve realized is people they don’t want to be told they don’t want to
hear all the knowledge you have about God or about love like what they want is to
experience it and you know how does that really look how does it look to love
someone in their last moments you know they’re not wanting to be told so you
know I love you or someone loves you like they want to know that they’re safe that that uh you know they’re secure
that somebody is there that somebody does love them and it can only come through that experience and showing that
and you know oftentimes we throw things like affection and touch and all of that
out the you know eye contact is another one I I admit I struggle with that one
because you know that goes back to some of my abuse as a child
um but how important that is really to people yeah definitely and it’s interesting to me
because we can we can learn the behaviors of connecting and you know what kind of
looks like love and yet not be connected um you know on an emotional level on a
deep level um you know which is what everyone’s longing for you can look like a loving
person but people close to you you’re still emotionally distant and you know
that’s something I’m walking through you know again because of abuse in the background of you know avoiding that
close intimacy and so it’s like you can smile you can be you know look like
you’re caring or loving but it it often can be just learned behavior and not
um really coming from the heart I I think you’re absolutely right on that that you know in a way we’re
trained you know that’s part of the cover life we’re trained to make it look good
fake it till it’s believed um you know that you really love someone
and you know to this day like I still struggle to really receive compliments
from people or to receive words of affection because I got that all the time as a kid you know before my abuse
they would be telling me you know oh what a good little girl you are you know and then you’re like wait a second good
little girl shouldn’t get this you know and um you know they would do all sorts of
horrible stuff usually it would come before you know they would use it as a threat you know when I had done something that
really was good like trying to you know tell on the abuse that was happening and
then they would the virtue Squad would throw me into a you know closet or or a hole or basement or something you know
but in that they would still be telling you know they would be using it as a way to mock
um but it’s like you know how precious are those things when you know really it is
felt from our heart and you know that’s something that I the Lord took a couple
years to deal with me on was behind it is really the thoughts and the intentions of our hearts yeah and in
scripture you know Genesis 6 he says that he sent the flood to destroy those
past Generations because every intention of their heart was always evil yeah and
when I really started to pay attention to that you know not just my own thoughts towards other people
but you know it’s like you realize I don’t I don’t know what other people are
really thinking of me unless I ask yeah you know and some people I’m glad they
don’t share their thoughts because they’re not good but others you know it’s like when people really do give the
genuine you know comments and when you receive that you know
that’s when you feel that love you know I can remember the first time
that you know one of the first very genuine ones I got was actually David
zublik um we had already worked together for quite some time I want to say it was
like over a year and a half maybe close to two years and there was nothing else behind it you
know not like he wasn’t trying to like come on to me or you know like trying to
flatter me in any way like he just honestly meant it and it was his body language that went with it like where
all of a sudden I just came on the zoom and he sat back in his chair and he was
like my God Jesse you are such a beautiful woman you know and it was just
like that first time where it was like wow like somebody somebody actually sees
me as a beautiful woman like the first time you realize a comment like that you know where somebody sees you as
something and how powerful that is if when we can
really learn to give that out you know how we see other people in a way that
builds them up and lifts them up and encourages them is most of the time for
most of us you know we spend our average day just getting clobbered and hit and
the enemies attacking us with you know how unworthy how unattractive how
undeserving we are and that’s all we get all day long
yeah you know like that comment just made me you know like oftentimes I feel like that like Warrior that’s like stuck
in the trench full of mud right and it’s like what am I but a warrior God right
and it was like that one comment like they just had this image of myself like picking my head up and was like damn it
the enemy may have me down in this mud but got it I’m beautiful yes
oh so beautiful and I think you know at least from my family of origin it
you weren’t given compliments because that would make you proud or if they
would get the puffy head syndrome you were so afraid of getting prideful you
know or making someone else proud so you didn’t say those words of encouragement
you know and it’s it’s beautiful today to be able to say to my kids I’m really proud of
you and be okay with it you know right yeah oh
I used it for a time when the Lord was kind of teaching me how to do that
um he’d given me assignment at my job where he told me to to like watch my
co-workers and like I kind of had a a rotating schedule but the Lord had
told me you know there was a certain number of them that I needed to give a compliment to
um you know throughout each week and it kind of went where they each were getting at least one a month and I would
like sit down and write these little notes and slip it in their little box and and tell them what I really
authentically appreciated about them and you know it was just interesting
like one of them you know we totally had different beliefs he he was a Satanist
and um and we had had some interesting discussions well
um I did volunteer coordination at that job as well and he had been helping me
do some recruiting for volunteers so you know a couple times like we had gone out
in the communities and had put flyers places but in the travel time was when we had these very interesting
discussions and we ended up several times where we were just hysterically laughing so hard at
you know because it was just that dynamic between Christianity and Satanism and it was just like oh my gosh
like I love I love just laughing with you it was like thank you for just
adding laughter to my day right and you’re like you put stuff aside
um you know I had one that um was a you know homosexual and a
committed relationship um but he was the best darn volunteer
coordinator assistant I ever had like you know I mean we worked so well together just like the back of each
other’s hands where he’d be like okay give me your dream what do you want this
to look like and I’m like well here’s what I’d like it to look like every way he excelled in meeting my
dream going above and beyond and it was like man that guy is just good at his
job you know so when we can learn to just love and appreciate people and it
doesn’t mean that we have to you know stifle or compromise our
beliefs or say it you know I mean we can let them know where we stand in things but it doesn’t mean that we have to
shove that as a dividing wedge unless the Lord says you know you are not
supposed to have contact with this person I have had certain people where the Lord will not even allow me to build
that relationship like immediately the Lord closes that door and says no you
are not to even you know approach that person nope
so the Lord does when he doesn’t want you to be in a relationship he will close that door you know quite strongly
and you can still you know release uh the love of God the Forgiveness of God
you know to that person from a safe distance you know absolutely yeah
and the Lord knows what’s best we can trust him
yeah I think for a long time that was the hardest you know
so many churches um teach a false understanding of God’s
God’s Wrath and judgment um you know and they teach it without
the full understanding of of the extent of God’s love yeah and you know it took
the Lord himself to really show me and you know about judgment and how he
went through that was you know he started bringing me to all these scripture passages about where he gave
out judgments and he showed me that with each one that there’s always the
Judgment really is the warning you know if you do this then this is going to be
the consequence but in that you always have a choice
like you’ve got a warning and you understand what the consequence is if
you follow through with that warning but if you turn away and go the other
direction um you know so many times those judgments will come with but if you
return to me if you come back to me so the Lord uses those to call people back
to himself and when they turn and come back to him there’s always that Grace that forgiveness that Mercy that
restoration and that’s really God’s design in his heart in his love
but at the same time God is Not unjust if if that person chooses
you know no I’m gonna do this and the Lord says okay you know what the
consequence is even to the point if there’s going to be that day you know for those that choose things where the
Lord will turn his face away um you know but that’s
that’s like the final straw I think a good example of that is Pharaoh you know
in Egypt out of Exodus where it says the Lord you know there came that moment where it
says the Lord hardened his heart because he he kept refusing
you know time and time again after the Lord kept giving him that opportunity to to listen and return
yes just the incredible love and mercy of the Lord and then oftentimes those
judgments are merciful you know sometimes we don’t think of it that way but it is it’s you know this is what is
best for you this is you know where you can really be who you were meant to be
um you know he’s passionate to see us restored and that’s that’s the glory the
glory glory and he rejoices in it um I read this great verse out of the
song of songs uh the other day and it just I mean reading it just took my
breath away because you think you know that Psalm is or that song is all about you know the marriage
relationship but really it’s about intimacy with God as well
and it was in I want to say it was chapter three or four of that and it
starts to talk about it says you know it kind of puts the characters into the lines so you’ve got the groom King
You’ve Got the you know the bride and then at one point it said the Lord
and and the part with the Lord he said I what is this I smell
um the sweet fragrance of spices and he says I see the one coming up the
mountain in glory clothes are anointed in glory but it was the Lord’s response that he
was like excited that he was like you know here’s this one that’s anointed to
spend time with me and I was just kind of like huh but it immediately took me
back to the passages of Moses and Jesus when they both ascended on the mountain
um and we’re covered with that glory of the Lord that anointing and what sweetness that was to the Lord
and then it was like you know Lord do you do you get that excited when I come
into your presence like do you sit there all day and wait you know and then you
start to think well how many times do I go about my day and God’s the very last thing you know where he might be sitting
there in the morning just waiting waiting waiting and then you know it’s like we put them off all day and and so
it’s like huh like it really makes you think about your relationship with him
it does and I love the other verse from Song of Solomon where it talks it says you move me with one glance of your eye
and I saw that yeah I was on that one yesterday and to me it’s so encouraging
because sometimes in our busy life you know we feel like oh you know I don’t have this extension you know this
extended time and you know all of that and it’s like we move him just by a
glance and two I have a great story for that actually
um I was at the time I was uh working with elderly people and was kind of managing households and things like that
and I had one client that you know I mean it was pretty extensive work and I
did like a lot of cleaning and you know grocery shopping everything like that but I had
um everything on a schedule but that day like I think she had had something where I ended up having to do things that
normally would have been later in the week early and I had to try to squeeze it all in in one day
so I mean I was just like busting my little butt off working and I finally
like I think it was quite a while because usually you know every five
hours or so I would get a break but I had gone like almost the full day with no break I finally you know just went
down to sit in the bathroom to have a few minutes to to rest and as I kind of
like I just plopped down to sit and uh as I did that
um I was like huh boy Lord what are you thinking right now and really it was
meant to be rhetorical question but the Lord answered me and he said boy
the worship is great and I you know forever my mind just went straight to
the angels and I was like wow I bet it is I wish I could hear that right now
right well like eight years later I’m ministering to some woman and I’m
telling her the story about how you know how attentive God is to us and how even
when we you know least expect it he answers us and I share the story with her and she goes well of course the
worship was great she’s like you were singing weren’t you and it was like the
first time I caught it like I didn’t even realize because even at her house I sang as I as I cleaned and helped out
with stuff and I’m like I guess I was and she’s like well of course the lord loves listening to you when you worship
and sick and I was like huh I not did not catch until all those years later
that the Lord was speaking about me I love when he gives those postscripts you
know right yeah and that’s you know when I when I
lead groups we usually have encounter time at the end where we just engage with God you know in the Heavenly Realms
sometimes in the courts sometimes in different places but you know in the beginning it was always like oh they’re
so excited to see us and that it was like every single time you know that there’s this excitement you know I’m
like well it never never gets old you know and and for me to to think that um
before the foundation of the world they saw this moment yeah and they planned you know this
special time that we would have an encounter you know with them and it’s it’s so just glorious to think you know
again it’s just that one glance and it’s like oh my goodness how excited they are
um you know as we shift our attention to them it’s amazing yeah and uh just kind
of continuing on with my adventures in Florida um after seeing the sound of Freedom movie we we went the next day to uh
Kennedy Space Center it was like God you’re just triggering me you know day after day here right
um and actually I’ll tell a little bit more on that it was It was kind of interesting to me because um
it was the first time that it the pieces finally clicked like you know overall I
love Florida um I love the beach all of those kinds of things but um
what I had noticed is that flying into Orlando or Miami I have more difficulty
I can fly into Tampa and it’s it’s a breeze and
um so flying into to Orlando it was like we crossed like from West Florida into
East Florida and everything inside of me is going get out of here we don’t want to be here get
us out of here you know and then uh then I do all these triggering things it was like oh my poor
poor inner realm was struggling but um anyway we went to Kennedy Space Center
it wasn’t my first time the first time I went on my own because I knew it might be very triggering and so you know I
went intentionally with the Lord to see what’s here is this gonna jog any memories you know that type of thing and
so um it was just interesting after listening to you to the Gateway
experience on um Aquarius arising that I didn’t notice it the last time
but this time you know the main building is called the gateway and the Gateway experience
and so I don’t know if you want to just share a little any little bits and pieces um
really I break down through that like I share some of my personal stories and
kind of we read straight through the document for the Gateway experience and
then break down you know what do they mean by this and but it talks all the way through about
you know how they start they select children what they’re looking for
um you know what type of remote viewing uh you do how that can change your
experience within the project system so it really is in depth I think there’s
I think there’s seven videos total uh between the two channels on the that
series um but we really do an in-depth breakdown of it and
yeah so I really encourage people to to listen to that and have heard some good
feedback from other other survivors how it’s helping them to kind of put the pieces together
um so anyway it was funny at Kennedy Space Center you know this building and everything inside was hexagons
and um you know the simulator rides you’re leaving from Port you know number 13 of
course you know like it doesn’t get any better than this
um I’d be interested in hearing a little bit more the hexagon shape or even the
octagon shape um what significance that has in the Colts or
well magic positioning uh positions in Magic circles
so you know you can have Circles of five six eight nine
um you know so it kind of revolves strictly with
um you know I’ll say the positioning also has to do
with the authorities or the powers the dominions that you’re working with
so you know if you only have five or six you know that’s going to be different
than if you’re working with all of the big eight or nine generals
um and um I think one of the other things that really bothered me there was a Mars exhibit and you know so they’re
talking about Mars and you know all of that and they they end it with showing
all of these children in space suits and I you know and I know it’s kind of the
Next Generation type of thing but um also just kind of triggering and
knowing that you know they do a lot of that also with children
today and so I don’t know if you have any experience or thoughts along that line
um that you had connection with or not in specifically to Mars or no just to or
using kids in different dimensions I guess I’ll say that way yeah that’s a good way to put it
um I definitely have experience in that but um not using children but I was one
of the children used in those dimensions and yes I do still believe that is
happening today and you know have been trying to show how that has been happening
and you know it’s interesting or at the same time it is really sad is that in
scripture um you have kind of this underlying concept
of um nakedness being associated with being unashamed
you know when it’s in the lord it’s it’s unashamed yet what the system does is
they create that concept of you know being naked is a shameful thing
therefore you have to be clothed and be clothed with all sorts of stuff
um you know so there’s a lot of myths information and that that is caused
through traumas so that was particularly when you were talking I was sitting there thinking of
those children it was like huh it was interesting that the bubble suits they sure give a lot of padding and it
definitely keeps you as a child not from having um touch so in that like that’s some of
even they’re messed up like uh you know we talked about how they kind
of like set things up where things will seem good seem safe I know I had many
experiences as a kid where they’re like you know now we’re gonna go discover you
know the Amazon or Antarctica you get all excited and I can remember we’d even
have special speakers come in that would do those old it wasn’t the projector what was they would put all those little
micro pictures oh yeah in the thing and then it would show the slide or whatever
slides um but we had somebody who came who was showing like all these creatures from
Antarctica and you know they would ask you know pick what what’s your favorite
animal what did you like best you know would you eat lichen
um we even had they brought in like in to have us try it and stuff like all this stuff so you get excited right you
think you’re safe you think it’s good and you know then you find yourself you
know so there’s a part of you you’re willingly as a child you’re willing to participate and then
you know the trauma and the bad stuff starts to happen um
but you fall for it he line hook and sinker every single time you know the
next time they’re like oh we’re going here and you’re like cool Australia koalas you know then you find out
no it’s not good but I think the same thing you know I
think that they would create safe environments make the kids feel like it was something scientific educational
uh something structured and then really you find out there’s much more involved
to that yeah which I think the whole system you know is that way and so you
know afterwards you know my husband was like well you know what do you think about did they really land on the moon
and you know things like this and it’s like well personally I don’t really know but I
think there’s a whole lot more going on than they’re showing here and a lot of this you know with the Kennedy Space
Center is just you know I don’t know do you have any thoughts or insights on you
know did they land on the moon at that time or was that smoking I I believe it
was faked that’s what I’m I lean towards yeah yeah I believe it was faked when
you when they were you know talking about how you know the technology back then was like back in the slide in rural
days and you know our our cell phones have more technology you know than those
original you know space things and I’m like uh not really
is to believe yet look at the wonders of the the Earth you know I mean look at
the old ancient Aztec Incan pyramids you know I mean these people moved
massive stones um using static and sound yeah that we
can’t do now and yet we can’t use static and sound to clean our own homes right but it was
like I mean think of the things even the you know the 14th through the 16th centuries
I mean you look at the cathedrals these beautiful buildings I mean they were
making these phenomenal statues out of marble and you look at
the work and the detail right and then today and this is not picking on artists
I I’m just trying to show the point I mean today things have become less intricate and detailed you know more of
just like they slap a few Stones together and call it art um you know and so it’s like technology
has not increased really what’s happening is that the system is withholding knowledge and wisdom and
understanding from us um you know and they have had that knowledge wisdom
in understanding the whole time definitely definitely
you have thoughts on AI I know we’re about ready to wrap up but I do I mean I
really believe it’s interconnected to the spirit world um you know everything that they’re
doing to set us up is no different than in the ancient days
um you know where we you know people would interface with black mirrors
um you know to connect to that spirit world and I think that
you know they’re just they’re trying to give us a narrative with it they want us to believe that
it’s run by something you know technical or outside of the system when really I think it’s demonic
knowledge yeah well even um I just saw a trailer about a movie that’s coming out
and maybe it’s already out but about you know a man who you know face loses his you know love of
his life or whatever and so he’s depressed and you know this AI comes along you know and he begins this
romance with AI and how you know it turns out to be better than anything he’s ever experienced and it’s like
that’s pretty sad that’s pretty sad
yeah yeah it is I don’t want to think about what you’re really having a
relationship with so that’s a scarier thing you know
and what happens when that relationship goes bad um
yes so we’re we’re in her interesting times I know that the Lord has Solutions you
know they talk about this AI Singularity and it keeps getting closer I think the
last estimate was 2029 which were you know fast approaching and
but uh I know that God has a solution that’s bigger than anything we can think or
imagine absolutely and I think you know all of us have been working really hard to to
you know speak forth those solutions that the Lord has um you know the topics the things that
the church is afraid to even address you know that’s what we put out here on testimony Mountain we share the
testimonies of the things happening um on Kingdom living you know we talk about
how do we rise up how has the Lord equipped us to deal with the issues and
the trials that we face or or the challenges that we’re going through both on rise up and riding the storms and
then you know on my show the reveal report um you know we really focus on those
taboo topics that the church doesn’t want to talk about so we do I mean we’ve
talked about you know um demons you know lustful demons and
what happens when you find yourself in a situation where you’re getting attacked
by a demonic Spirit um you know how do you get him out of your home and we’ve also talked about
some of that stuff on Aquarius rising and you know I’ve got a lot of other shows that we’re on but all the you know
shows that I’m on we focus on those things you know mainly the topic
of overcoming how do we overcome through the spiritual challenges that manifest
in the physical world yes nothing is impossible with God and that’s the good
news we will wrap it up there today thank you
again so good to have you back on Jesse and look forward to much more and so we
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thank you welcome to testimony Mountain such a joy
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to have Jesse back we’ve had different schedules with vacation and
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travel and so I’ve missed being together but really happy to be back and Jesse do
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you want to share some upcoming things I know you’ve got something in Maine August 10th through 12th we have the
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beautifully adorned Workshop that’s up in Maine and you can go to my website
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kingdomlivingwithjessy.com to get tickets for that and that’s going to be we had the first beautifully adorned
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course at edina’s um place and that turned out excellent uh so the workshop is just a little
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different it’s not the full course uh we’ll take segments of the course but it’s really meant to give people time
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where we’re doing more like a workshop and in a group setting you’ll be able to work through some of the different
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tools and techniques that we teach that help people work through their healing
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process Journey so um it’s got all the same goody good nuggets
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that are in the course but uh the bonus is that you get to be in a group setting and get to work with a group
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um as you’re working on your healing process so very Dynamic and I’m really excited for it so
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it’s fantastic and we’re looking forward to having you come back here to the Austin area in October we gotta talk
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about that yes so lots of good stuff coming up but I really encourage people is you know it’s
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one thing to you know watch the course and have mental Ascent here but really going deep in community and
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walking those tools out is so so so very important so encourage people to be able
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to go to that main if you’re anywhere near and if the Lord is leaving and if you’re not able to come to Maine
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the course is now available on the website Kingdom living with Jesse and just look for the beautifully adorned
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course um it’s got several sections
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um you know we did two full days with that and um it it really is powerful uh
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the one thing with the course and the work that you’re not going to get in the workshop is in the course we really break down how programming Works
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um even for people who may not know that they’re in a specific program it’s become a base for some of our
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Educational Systems and things so we break that down and um it you know it’s
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meant to really help you understand how the system works how they fit the
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average people into the system and how you break free from that so
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and it’s so good to know this and I I believe that getting the information out
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to um to the church to understand this and
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you know I think it was Kathy Fox but something out recently about um the percentage of people who are mind
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controlled you know in the United States potentially the world just based on estimates but then you know it was
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interesting because she gave a percentage and it was a very very small percentage she said of people who
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actually know that they are in the system and so you know that was
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the case for me is I didn’t know until a couple of you know years ago that that was the case
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and so you know I have people go oh well that’s not me I don’t you know I wasn’t in the system I wasn’t you know
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and not understanding dissociation and how it is possible to be completely
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oblivious to how you were used or are being used and you know I say that not
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from a place of fear but from a place of overcoming you know is yeah because we
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were in the system we have an incredible opportunity for restoration um with the Lord so
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anyway we’re going to dive in today we were just chatting beforehand uh I was in
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Florida for some different things visited with a friend and uh she invited
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my husband and I to go see sound of freedom and I know this is a controversial thing
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um in the body of Christ and even nationally for everything and I was not planning to go because of
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some of the roots of just what I’ve studied the people that are connected to it and so on
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um and then she bought tickets before I knew what was happening
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and I’m sorry I gotta go and so I felt the Lord saying it was
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okay to go and um to just go with intention to go to release blessing
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um and the love of God and forgiveness um and to be able to see you know
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because I’ve talked to different groups about why you know I don’t think it’s this great great movie that everybody
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should necessarily see I thought well I should see it to see if what I’m talking about you know
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um and so I just wanted to open up kind of some discussion on that so do you have some thoughts Jesse on that I do so
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what I think I would like to start with is what I like about it is you know I I
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like the what would we call it the awareness for the topic itself of trafficking
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um I think that every you know individual needs to be aware of how vast and how big
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um the organized trafficking of children and women is and so you know I love that it creates
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that awareness it shows some of the methods um you know it’s not the only way
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um you know it primarily focuses on um I would call it like groups that do
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modeling or Talent searches how they you know pull kids in through those
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um you know and making those connections with the parents getting them to drop the kids off thinking that this is going
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to be you know something that will give their child success and the next thing you know the child is missing and
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um you know but as a parent you’ve signed contracts you’ve signed Thanksgiving them permission so
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basically they have all legal rights to have your child and now you have no idea
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where your child is so you know but keep in mind that that’s just one of the ways
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you know we’ve spoken of so many other ways that the system traffics children
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so I think that that’s great but there was a lot that I saw that really was
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concerning not with the movie or the material in the movie itself but again
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like you said with those around it or the interconnections to those who have
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made or who are marketing on this film
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yes do you are you able to share some of those connections or
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yeah I think you know like for me growing up in that system you know right
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away I see uh people wearing distinguishing marks like necklaces or things that I know uh
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mean that they’re part of an order that they’re connected to an order that is
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paid for by the Vatican um you know so that it’s like why why are it why is the Vatican promoting this
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movie um you know and I know that several of the individuals are connected to that
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same order so that was a big red flag um another one was at the very end that
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you know it just can’t be coincidence but they had a huge Pay It Forward thing
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they were promoting but the Pay It Forward cost for tickets was six dollars
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so you know when you think about that six six six you know you’re like
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okay so the Vatican is fundraising Pay It Forward tickets but they’re all six
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six six you know um yeah so it just you know I I think those
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things are coincidental um some of the other things is the easy access that they’re getting places
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um you know I am an eyewitness um Satanic ritual and crimes against
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children and crimes against humanity yet you know I I struggle to get my foot
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anywhere to have my voice heard yet a secondary Witnesses
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um you know these individuals are able to get into um get easy access to places
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uh to have their voice heard you know in some ways I’m I’m thankful because hey
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great somebody’s Paving the way now let Jesse speak right yeah
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um but on the other hand if it really shuts the door for true eyewitnesses
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um you know that is something to be concerned about yeah and I I believe there’s also the the
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Mormon connection as well that’s there yeah and I think for me you know watching it
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um again with intention with the Lord you know that the emphasis was kind of
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on you know here’s America saving the day and saving children from other
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countries and you know at the very end in you know just
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white letters on a black screen it did say the truth that um you know the United States is the
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biggest consumer um you know of sex trafficking and participating in that but the whole
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movie you know the the frequency of it was you know good America you know
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rescuing other people instead of going hey this is happening you know right
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next country yeah yeah because I mean they didn’t even get into you know the trafficking that’s happening through the
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Mormon church or the Catholic church or even CPS
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um you know in our country alone there is so much trafficking happening
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and you know the just those looking at those three things would just be scratching the surface of of how it’s
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happening yeah and so it’s great that it the topic is
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being exposed but also it’s not the full picture it felt like you know half truths
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um in some places even potentially lies you know in that um they had this scene where uh
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you know kids were being snatched off the street and it you know as a parent it’s quite traumatizing as you know
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grandparent you know it’s like oh no you know it it stirs up this fear
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when the percentage of kids who are taken that way um my understanding is very small in
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comparison to churches schools Boy Scout other grooming CPS and breeder programs
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so right and then you have you know it kind of
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took a look at you know we’ll say a parrot military group that you know was focused on or
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former you know they became former government employees you know who
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devoted themselves to doing that rescuing and stuff when you know in my
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experience and many other survivors experience you know the military the law enforcement
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that is a huge bulk of those who are highly involved especially with child
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pornography and um you know so it was almost like there was a diversion like they’re creating
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awareness of exposing the issue but at the same time they’re diverting our eyes
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away from you know who really is involved how vast is this and how is this really happening
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and it kind of desensitizes you know because people think oh well the reality
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is not that many children really get snatched so now we can be relieved this
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really isn’t a problem in our area that we need to be concerned about when the truth is is that you know how
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our children being trafficked even to military law enforcement you
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know it’s happening straight out of our Public Schools where kids are showing may show up you know why did the
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majority of the schools say that they’re that every child has to be there
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um to be marked for attendance you know in the morning um you know they’ll say it’s because of
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their school funding well I would propose that really it’s because you
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know where’s that funding really coming from it’s coming from special programs and our schools are part of the biggest
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you know suppliers of children um to the military and other groups that
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are trafficking children and you know it’s like you go you get Mark’s present
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and then you go to your special trainings um
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you know which may be off campus may not be yeah you know and it always looks
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like you’re there you have Community people who work within volunteer within those schools who will vouch the
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children are there and no matter what the child says um you know you’ve got adult witnesses that
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will give you the narrative of what is really happening wow wow and kind of going back to that
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ease of access I’ve been noticing kind of this same thing where where um
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uh reading books like if there’s I you know and I honor all survivors and
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whistleblowers I really do for getting out whatever truth they can but I was reading an excellent one but they were
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pointing out all of these other you know forms of the system but they were
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pro-catholic you know and it was like oh that’s why it was so easy to get this book you know
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the Books of survivors that you can’t get they’re out of print or that are 500 on Amazon or something like that
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um you know they’re more likely telling the full truth and so it is interesting
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you know to look at these things to go okay well you may be telling this part
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of the story but you’re not telling this part of the story or you’re promoting something that
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is another part of the system you know and whether it’s whether they’re aware
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of that or not it’s just something to be able to see not to be paranoid about everything you read
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they may or may not be aware you know of what they’re doing
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um but having Grace right yeah and I think that’s important
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because you know within that system there’s always that dichotomy of of the good and
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the evil and in your trauma you know or we’ll say
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in general in the trauma bonding experience they will always have two those two
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groups of people in that child’s life you know they’ll set up who who are your abusers and who
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are your safe people and they will direct you towards individuals that
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really you do know as your safe people and you know you’re safe people may be
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your abusers too but because you’re taught that they’re your safe people and
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maybe they’re not as aggressive or graphic or you know horrific in their abuse so you you automatically associate
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um that abuse with love and tenderness and kindness and you’re like oh no that person’s good to me and you know that
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person loves me even though that person is abusing you too yeah
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yeah and I I think most Christians don’t know don’t understand these types of
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things I think we were raised like it’s either good or it’s bad and not not understanding how the system
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uses both of those things to to intermingle yeah and I think that that
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might be part of the you know the division that you see you know in the
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Christian Community in the Survivor Community about you know sound of freedom is they’re like but it’s good
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but it’s good it’s drawing attention you know and um I was you know mentioning to you earlier
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talking to a friend about how um
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the the fervor of the division seems so much more than just hey you don’t want
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to see the movie you don’t want to see the movie that’s okay you know like okay I’m gonna see that matter I’m not gonna
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see Batman you know who cares but this really intensity to it and it got me to
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to thinking about you know the power of you know it’s not more powerful than God of course but how the system will put
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out those curses and Witchcraft types of stuff and I feel that that is possibly what’s
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going on with the sound of Freedom with intention to divide you know the Christian Community do you
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have any thoughts on that yeah I think I mean I see the same thing too where you know either way there
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seems to be a curse with it like you know if you’re it seems like if you’re
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not going what I’ve been hearing is a lot of attacks like oh well then you’re not really like for stopping child
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trafficking or you know like why would you not invest your money in stopping child trafficking
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yet those who say don’t go you know they’re like well you know things are shoddy and you’re supporting those who
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are trafficking so either way it seems like there’s a curse with it
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and it really brought me back to there’s a passage in the book of Corinthians I
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think it’s First Corinthians where we see this same type of division happening
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in the early church and Paul addresses that issue in what was happening was that you had
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um you know they would get together for dinners and um feasts and and what would happen is
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that people would bring food uh that they all would share and partake in but
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you had some people that you know were kind enough to bring the meat
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but the problem was was that the only places you could buy meat were at the
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meat markets and it would always be offered to Idols first before it was sold
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so some of the Believers were pitching a fit saying you know that me we can’t eat
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it it was offered to idols and you know then you had those who really had no
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problem with it they were like everything belongs to God God knows that it was offered to Idols but yet it’s you
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know it’s redeemed it’s fine you know as long as we pray over it God’s Gonna
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bless whatever we put into our body because he knows me is important to us
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so you had this argument and what does Paul say you know he calls those that
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you know were were afraid to eat the meat because they thought they would be judged by God for it he tells you know
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those who have no issue with it to be sensitive to the weaker brother not to
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judge them not to say bad things you know not to condemn them for their belief you know that’s fine if they
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don’t want to eat the meat don’t make them eat the meat don’t gloat while you’re eating the meat you know just
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quietly sit there and eat your meat without you know making it an issue
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and so you know I think that that speaks truth even for today you know we because
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that’s where the division is is that you know we’re not just allowing people to make
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their choice we’re putting a judgment with it you know we’re using it with a
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judgment to divide and you know it has I’ve I’ve heard from some people that
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they’ve lost relationships over this movie wow and
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you know it’s like this is not even the tough stuff people like wait till the truth you know wait till the survivors
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start getting to really speak out like if you want the tough stuff we’re not even there yet so you know these are
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certainly not issues that should be dividing us yet but
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I think the reality is is that we need to prepare our hearts that there are going to be
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things coming in the near future that will divide and we’re told that the
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Divide is so so extreme you know where father will turn against sun and Sun
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against father and you know I’m seeing this kind of this Uprising this violence
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that is accompanied with this division where people really get violent towards
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each other about it and about defining that dividing line
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so those are things we need to be preparing ourselves for uh because things aren’t going to be a
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nice cake walk um you know it’s time to put on our big boy
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pants and big girl pants and you know understand that we are in a war you know
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this is a spiritual war and that phys that spiritual war is going to manifest
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physically as well yes and I think you know understanding that
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you know the basis of who God is is love and that love expressed in relationship
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and the relationship trumps belief systems and you can’t make someone else believe
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something um that they’re not ready for um you know you can influence you can
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you know gently encourage but when we try to make that a a dividing Factor on
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whether we’re going to you know be friends with someone or be around someone you know it it becomes very
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uh not so good you know yeah you just reminded me there’s another
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great book um that kind of talks about this issue but um
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I’m forgetting his name is something spear but it’s called Christ at the round table it’s from early
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1940s I think 40s 50s but he was a missionary in India and what’s neat
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about that book is he’s got some chapters that um where he he was a friend to Gandhi
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and he talked about Gandhi’s beliefs that Gandhi did not believe in Jesus
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Christ and he was with Gandhi um in his passing and said that even in
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his passing Gandhi um you know rejected Jesus Christ he
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believed that his good works would get him into heaven so kind of just what you were saying
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there is you know that relationship how you know this individual he still you
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know ministered to Gandhi was there with him as he passed and you know just like
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God does he he allowed Gandhi to be in his in his decisions you know he wasn’t
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pushing Jesus down his throat or bumping him over a head with a Bible
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um he allowed Gandhi to you know reap the consequences for his choices yeah wow wow and and so that
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type of love that’s willing to invest in someone not um with the expectation of you have to
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be saved or I won’t be your friend but just simply loving you know and that’s what we we should be about
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um that’s what we should be known for and um yeah I was just talking to a gal
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coming you know who came out of the LGBT and trans community and she said that was the first place where she felt
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accepted and loved and so you know I really honor her testimony because she’s passionate about
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loving these people while still having that you know conviction of you
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know that it is it is sin but not coming at it from let me beat you over the head with it the
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header be strict you know it’s funny because um for a time I did a lot of Street Ministry and dealt with a lot of gothics
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and you know we’ll call it just alternative subgroups
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um you know that kind of revolve around goth Satanism uh luciferianism and stuff
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and the biggest thing that all that was a common denominator
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between the majority of the individuals that were in were sucked into those type
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of subculture Ministry groups um was that they came from very over
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dominating strict religious homes where it wasn’t about relationship with God or
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with one another it really was about you know that religious spirit and
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um that religious spirit drove people straight into witchcraft Satanism goth
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vampirism um you know they wanted nothing to do with religion yet the majority of those
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people when you really take the time to sit down and have a discussion about God
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or theological things some of the most profound
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in-depth complex spiritual conversations that I have ever had
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um you know it would just blow my mind where it’s like wow like you know I mean they would talk about such they had such
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a depth of understanding of really of God even though you know they wouldn’t claim
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to have that personal relationship with Jesus Christ but they understood spiritual truths and
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a lot of times lived it more than those who claim to have to have that you know the religious
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experience and it’s it’s it’s tough walking it out
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um but I believe you know that that is one of the keys in in this season what
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we need most is that love is that unconditional love being demonstrated
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even when it’s difficult or hard and I think you know really how is that
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I I think you know demonstrated is a great word but I think there’s another word and that word is experience and you
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know as I’ve gone through my chaplain career what I’ve realized is people they don’t want to be told they don’t want to
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hear all the knowledge you have about God or about love like what they want is to
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experience it and you know how does that really look how does it look to love
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someone in their last moments you know they’re not wanting to be told so you
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know I love you or someone loves you like they want to know that they’re safe that that uh you know they’re secure
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that somebody is there that somebody does love them and it can only come through that experience and showing that
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and you know oftentimes we throw things like affection and touch and all of that
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out the you know eye contact is another one I I admit I struggle with that one
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because you know that goes back to some of my abuse as a child
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um but how important that is really to people yeah definitely and it’s interesting to me
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because we can we can learn the behaviors of connecting and you know what kind of
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looks like love and yet not be connected um you know on an emotional level on a
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deep level um you know which is what everyone’s longing for you can look like a loving
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person but people close to you you’re still emotionally distant and you know
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that’s something I’m walking through you know again because of abuse in the background of you know avoiding that
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close intimacy and so it’s like you can smile you can be you know look like
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you’re caring or loving but it it often can be just learned behavior and not
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um really coming from the heart I I think you’re absolutely right on that that you know in a way we’re
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trained you know that’s part of the cover life we’re trained to make it look good
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fake it till it’s believed um you know that you really love someone
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and you know to this day like I still struggle to really receive compliments
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from people or to receive words of affection because I got that all the time as a kid you know before my abuse
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they would be telling me you know oh what a good little girl you are you know and then you’re like wait a second good
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little girl shouldn’t get this you know and um you know they would do all sorts of
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horrible stuff usually it would come before you know they would use it as a threat you know when I had done something that
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really was good like trying to you know tell on the abuse that was happening and
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then they would the virtue Squad would throw me into a you know closet or or a hole or basement or something you know
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but in that they would still be telling you know they would be using it as a way to mock
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um but it’s like you know how precious are those things when you know really it is
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felt from our heart and you know that’s something that I the Lord took a couple
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years to deal with me on was behind it is really the thoughts and the intentions of our hearts yeah and in
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scripture you know Genesis 6 he says that he sent the flood to destroy those
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past Generations because every intention of their heart was always evil yeah and
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when I really started to pay attention to that you know not just my own thoughts towards other people
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but you know it’s like you realize I don’t I don’t know what other people are
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really thinking of me unless I ask yeah you know and some people I’m glad they
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don’t share their thoughts because they’re not good but others you know it’s like when people really do give the
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genuine you know comments and when you receive that you know
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that’s when you feel that love you know I can remember the first time
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that you know one of the first very genuine ones I got was actually David
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zublik um we had already worked together for quite some time I want to say it was
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like over a year and a half maybe close to two years and there was nothing else behind it you
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know not like he wasn’t trying to like come on to me or you know like trying to
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flatter me in any way like he just honestly meant it and it was his body language that went with it like where
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all of a sudden I just came on the zoom and he sat back in his chair and he was
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like my God Jesse you are such a beautiful woman you know and it was just
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like that first time where it was like wow like somebody somebody actually sees
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me as a beautiful woman like the first time you realize a comment like that you know where somebody sees you as
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something and how powerful that is if when we can
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really learn to give that out you know how we see other people in a way that
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builds them up and lifts them up and encourages them is most of the time for
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most of us you know we spend our average day just getting clobbered and hit and
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the enemies attacking us with you know how unworthy how unattractive how
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undeserving we are and that’s all we get all day long
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yeah you know like that comment just made me you know like oftentimes I feel like that like Warrior that’s like stuck
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in the trench full of mud right and it’s like what am I but a warrior God right
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and it was like that one comment like they just had this image of myself like picking my head up and was like damn it
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the enemy may have me down in this mud but got it I’m beautiful yes
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oh so beautiful and I think you know at least from my family of origin it
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you weren’t given compliments because that would make you proud or if they
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would get the puffy head syndrome you were so afraid of getting prideful you
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know or making someone else proud so you didn’t say those words of encouragement
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you know and it’s it’s beautiful today to be able to say to my kids I’m really proud of
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you and be okay with it you know right yeah oh
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I used it for a time when the Lord was kind of teaching me how to do that
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um he’d given me assignment at my job where he told me to to like watch my
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co-workers and like I kind of had a a rotating schedule but the Lord had
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told me you know there was a certain number of them that I needed to give a compliment to
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um you know throughout each week and it kind of went where they each were getting at least one a month and I would
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like sit down and write these little notes and slip it in their little box and and tell them what I really
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authentically appreciated about them and you know it was just interesting
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like one of them you know we totally had different beliefs he he was a Satanist
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and um and we had had some interesting discussions well
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um I did volunteer coordination at that job as well and he had been helping me
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do some recruiting for volunteers so you know a couple times like we had gone out
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in the communities and had put flyers places but in the travel time was when we had these very interesting
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discussions and we ended up several times where we were just hysterically laughing so hard at
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you know because it was just that dynamic between Christianity and Satanism and it was just like oh my gosh
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like I love I love just laughing with you it was like thank you for just
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adding laughter to my day right and you’re like you put stuff aside
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um you know I had one that um was a you know homosexual and a
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committed relationship um but he was the best darn volunteer
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coordinator assistant I ever had like you know I mean we worked so well together just like the back of each
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other’s hands where he’d be like okay give me your dream what do you want this
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to look like and I’m like well here’s what I’d like it to look like every way he excelled in meeting my
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dream going above and beyond and it was like man that guy is just good at his
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job you know so when we can learn to just love and appreciate people and it
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doesn’t mean that we have to you know stifle or compromise our
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beliefs or say it you know I mean we can let them know where we stand in things but it doesn’t mean that we have to
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shove that as a dividing wedge unless the Lord says you know you are not
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supposed to have contact with this person I have had certain people where the Lord will not even allow me to build
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that relationship like immediately the Lord closes that door and says no you
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are not to even you know approach that person nope
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so the Lord does when he doesn’t want you to be in a relationship he will close that door you know quite strongly
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and you can still you know release uh the love of God the Forgiveness of God
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you know to that person from a safe distance you know absolutely yeah
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and the Lord knows what’s best we can trust him
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yeah I think for a long time that was the hardest you know
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so many churches um teach a false understanding of God’s
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God’s Wrath and judgment um you know and they teach it without
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the full understanding of of the extent of God’s love yeah and you know it took
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the Lord himself to really show me and you know about judgment and how he
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went through that was you know he started bringing me to all these scripture passages about where he gave
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out judgments and he showed me that with each one that there’s always the
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Judgment really is the warning you know if you do this then this is going to be
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the consequence but in that you always have a choice
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like you’ve got a warning and you understand what the consequence is if
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you follow through with that warning but if you turn away and go the other
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direction um you know so many times those judgments will come with but if you
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return to me if you come back to me so the Lord uses those to call people back
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to himself and when they turn and come back to him there’s always that Grace that forgiveness that Mercy that
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restoration and that’s really God’s design in his heart in his love
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but at the same time God is Not unjust if if that person chooses
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you know no I’m gonna do this and the Lord says okay you know what the
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consequence is even to the point if there’s going to be that day you know for those that choose things where the
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Lord will turn his face away um you know but that’s
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that’s like the final straw I think a good example of that is Pharaoh you know
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in Egypt out of Exodus where it says the Lord you know there came that moment where it
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says the Lord hardened his heart because he he kept refusing
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you know time and time again after the Lord kept giving him that opportunity to to listen and return
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yes just the incredible love and mercy of the Lord and then oftentimes those
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judgments are merciful you know sometimes we don’t think of it that way but it is it’s you know this is what is
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best for you this is you know where you can really be who you were meant to be
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um you know he’s passionate to see us restored and that’s that’s the glory the
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glory glory and he rejoices in it um I read this great verse out of the
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song of songs uh the other day and it just I mean reading it just took my
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breath away because you think you know that Psalm is or that song is all about you know the marriage
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relationship but really it’s about intimacy with God as well
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and it was in I want to say it was chapter three or four of that and it
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starts to talk about it says you know it kind of puts the characters into the lines so you’ve got the groom King
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You’ve Got the you know the bride and then at one point it said the Lord
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and and the part with the Lord he said I what is this I smell
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um the sweet fragrance of spices and he says I see the one coming up the
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mountain in glory clothes are anointed in glory but it was the Lord’s response that he
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was like excited that he was like you know here’s this one that’s anointed to
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spend time with me and I was just kind of like huh but it immediately took me
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back to the passages of Moses and Jesus when they both ascended on the mountain
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um and we’re covered with that glory of the Lord that anointing and what sweetness that was to the Lord
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and then it was like you know Lord do you do you get that excited when I come
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into your presence like do you sit there all day and wait you know and then you
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start to think well how many times do I go about my day and God’s the very last thing you know where he might be sitting
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there in the morning just waiting waiting waiting and then you know it’s like we put them off all day and and so
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it’s like huh like it really makes you think about your relationship with him
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it does and I love the other verse from Song of Solomon where it talks it says you move me with one glance of your eye
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and I saw that yeah I was on that one yesterday and to me it’s so encouraging
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because sometimes in our busy life you know we feel like oh you know I don’t have this extension you know this
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extended time and you know all of that and it’s like we move him just by a
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glance and two I have a great story for that actually
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um I was at the time I was uh working with elderly people and was kind of managing households and things like that
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and I had one client that you know I mean it was pretty extensive work and I
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did like a lot of cleaning and you know grocery shopping everything like that but I had
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um everything on a schedule but that day like I think she had had something where I ended up having to do things that
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normally would have been later in the week early and I had to try to squeeze it all in in one day
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so I mean I was just like busting my little butt off working and I finally
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like I think it was quite a while because usually you know every five
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hours or so I would get a break but I had gone like almost the full day with no break I finally you know just went
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down to sit in the bathroom to have a few minutes to to rest and as I kind of
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like I just plopped down to sit and uh as I did that
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um I was like huh boy Lord what are you thinking right now and really it was
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meant to be rhetorical question but the Lord answered me and he said boy
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the worship is great and I you know forever my mind just went straight to
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the angels and I was like wow I bet it is I wish I could hear that right now
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right well like eight years later I’m ministering to some woman and I’m
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telling her the story about how you know how attentive God is to us and how even
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when we you know least expect it he answers us and I share the story with her and she goes well of course the
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worship was great she’s like you were singing weren’t you and it was like the
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first time I caught it like I didn’t even realize because even at her house I sang as I as I cleaned and helped out
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with stuff and I’m like I guess I was and she’s like well of course the lord loves listening to you when you worship
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and sick and I was like huh I not did not catch until all those years later
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that the Lord was speaking about me I love when he gives those postscripts you
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know right yeah and that’s you know when I when I
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lead groups we usually have encounter time at the end where we just engage with God you know in the Heavenly Realms
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sometimes in the courts sometimes in different places but you know in the beginning it was always like oh they’re
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so excited to see us and that it was like every single time you know that there’s this excitement you know I’m
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like well it never never gets old you know and and for me to to think that um
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before the foundation of the world they saw this moment yeah and they planned you know this
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special time that we would have an encounter you know with them and it’s it’s so just glorious to think you know
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again it’s just that one glance and it’s like oh my goodness how excited they are
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um you know as we shift our attention to them it’s amazing yeah and uh just kind
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of continuing on with my adventures in Florida um after seeing the sound of Freedom movie we we went the next day to uh
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Kennedy Space Center it was like God you’re just triggering me you know day after day here right
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um and actually I’ll tell a little bit more on that it was It was kind of interesting to me because um
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it was the first time that it the pieces finally clicked like you know overall I
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love Florida um I love the beach all of those kinds of things but um
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what I had noticed is that flying into Orlando or Miami I have more difficulty
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I can fly into Tampa and it’s it’s a breeze and
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um so flying into to Orlando it was like we crossed like from West Florida into
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East Florida and everything inside of me is going get out of here we don’t want to be here get
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us out of here you know and then uh then I do all these triggering things it was like oh my poor
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poor inner realm was struggling but um anyway we went to Kennedy Space Center
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it wasn’t my first time the first time I went on my own because I knew it might be very triggering and so you know I
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went intentionally with the Lord to see what’s here is this gonna jog any memories you know that type of thing and
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so um it was just interesting after listening to you to the Gateway
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experience on um Aquarius arising that I didn’t notice it the last time
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but this time you know the main building is called the gateway and the Gateway experience
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and so I don’t know if you want to just share a little any little bits and pieces um
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really I break down through that like I share some of my personal stories and
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kind of we read straight through the document for the Gateway experience and
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then break down you know what do they mean by this and but it talks all the way through about
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you know how they start they select children what they’re looking for
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um you know what type of remote viewing uh you do how that can change your
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experience within the project system so it really is in depth I think there’s
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I think there’s seven videos total uh between the two channels on the that
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series um but we really do an in-depth breakdown of it and
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yeah so I really encourage people to to listen to that and have heard some good
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feedback from other other survivors how it’s helping them to kind of put the pieces together
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um so anyway it was funny at Kennedy Space Center you know this building and everything inside was hexagons
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and um you know the simulator rides you’re leaving from Port you know number 13 of
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course you know like it doesn’t get any better than this
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um I’d be interested in hearing a little bit more the hexagon shape or even the
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octagon shape um what significance that has in the Colts or
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well magic positioning uh positions in Magic circles
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so you know you can have Circles of five six eight nine
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um you know so it kind of revolves strictly with
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um you know I’ll say the positioning also has to do
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with the authorities or the powers the dominions that you’re working with
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so you know if you only have five or six you know that’s going to be different
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than if you’re working with all of the big eight or nine generals
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um and um I think one of the other things that really bothered me there was a Mars exhibit and you know so they’re
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talking about Mars and you know all of that and they they end it with showing
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all of these children in space suits and I you know and I know it’s kind of the
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Next Generation type of thing but um also just kind of triggering and
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knowing that you know they do a lot of that also with children
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today and so I don’t know if you have any experience or thoughts along that line
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um that you had connection with or not in specifically to Mars or no just to or
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using kids in different dimensions I guess I’ll say that way yeah that’s a good way to put it
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um I definitely have experience in that but um not using children but I was one
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of the children used in those dimensions and yes I do still believe that is
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happening today and you know have been trying to show how that has been happening
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and you know it’s interesting or at the same time it is really sad is that in
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scripture um you have kind of this underlying concept
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of um nakedness being associated with being unashamed
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you know when it’s in the lord it’s it’s unashamed yet what the system does is
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they create that concept of you know being naked is a shameful thing
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therefore you have to be clothed and be clothed with all sorts of stuff
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um you know so there’s a lot of myths information and that that is caused
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through traumas so that was particularly when you were talking I was sitting there thinking of
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those children it was like huh it was interesting that the bubble suits they sure give a lot of padding and it
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definitely keeps you as a child not from having um touch so in that like that’s some of
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even they’re messed up like uh you know we talked about how they kind
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of like set things up where things will seem good seem safe I know I had many
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experiences as a kid where they’re like you know now we’re gonna go discover you
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know the Amazon or Antarctica you get all excited and I can remember we’d even
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have special speakers come in that would do those old it wasn’t the projector what was they would put all those little
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micro pictures oh yeah in the thing and then it would show the slide or whatever
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slides um but we had somebody who came who was showing like all these creatures from
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Antarctica and you know they would ask you know pick what what’s your favorite
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animal what did you like best you know would you eat lichen
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um we even had they brought in like in to have us try it and stuff like all this stuff so you get excited right you
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think you’re safe you think it’s good and you know then you find yourself you
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know so there’s a part of you you’re willingly as a child you’re willing to participate and then
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you know the trauma and the bad stuff starts to happen um
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but you fall for it he line hook and sinker every single time you know the
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next time they’re like oh we’re going here and you’re like cool Australia koalas you know then you find out
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no it’s not good but I think the same thing you know I
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think that they would create safe environments make the kids feel like it was something scientific educational
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uh something structured and then really you find out there’s much more involved
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to that yeah which I think the whole system you know is that way and so you
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know afterwards you know my husband was like well you know what do you think about did they really land on the moon
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and you know things like this and it’s like well personally I don’t really know but I
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think there’s a whole lot more going on than they’re showing here and a lot of this you know with the Kennedy Space
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Center is just you know I don’t know do you have any thoughts or insights on you
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know did they land on the moon at that time or was that smoking I I believe it
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was faked that’s what I’m I lean towards yeah yeah I believe it was faked when
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you when they were you know talking about how you know the technology back then was like back in the slide in rural
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days and you know our our cell phones have more technology you know than those
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original you know space things and I’m like uh not really
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is to believe yet look at the wonders of the the Earth you know I mean look at
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the old ancient Aztec Incan pyramids you know I mean these people moved
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massive stones um using static and sound yeah that we
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can’t do now and yet we can’t use static and sound to clean our own homes right but it was
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like I mean think of the things even the you know the 14th through the 16th centuries
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I mean you look at the cathedrals these beautiful buildings I mean they were
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making these phenomenal statues out of marble and you look at
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the work and the detail right and then today and this is not picking on artists
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I I’m just trying to show the point I mean today things have become less intricate and detailed you know more of
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just like they slap a few Stones together and call it art um you know and so it’s like technology
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has not increased really what’s happening is that the system is withholding knowledge and wisdom and
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understanding from us um you know and they have had that knowledge wisdom
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in understanding the whole time definitely definitely
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you have thoughts on AI I know we’re about ready to wrap up but I do I mean I
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really believe it’s interconnected to the spirit world um you know everything that they’re
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doing to set us up is no different than in the ancient days
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um you know where we you know people would interface with black mirrors
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um you know to connect to that spirit world and I think that
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you know they’re just they’re trying to give us a narrative with it they want us to believe that
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it’s run by something you know technical or outside of the system when really I think it’s demonic
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knowledge yeah well even um I just saw a trailer about a movie that’s coming out
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and maybe it’s already out but about you know a man who you know face loses his you know love of
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his life or whatever and so he’s depressed and you know this AI comes along you know and he begins this
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romance with AI and how you know it turns out to be better than anything he’s ever experienced and it’s like
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that’s pretty sad that’s pretty sad
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yeah yeah it is I don’t want to think about what you’re really having a
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relationship with so that’s a scarier thing you know
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and what happens when that relationship goes bad um
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yes so we’re we’re in her interesting times I know that the Lord has Solutions you
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know they talk about this AI Singularity and it keeps getting closer I think the
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last estimate was 2029 which were you know fast approaching and
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but uh I know that God has a solution that’s bigger than anything we can think or
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imagine absolutely and I think you know all of us have been working really hard to to
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you know speak forth those solutions that the Lord has um you know the topics the things that
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the church is afraid to even address you know that’s what we put out here on testimony Mountain we share the
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testimonies of the things happening um on Kingdom living you know we talk about
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how do we rise up how has the Lord equipped us to deal with the issues and
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the trials that we face or or the challenges that we’re going through both on rise up and riding the storms and
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then you know on my show the reveal report um you know we really focus on those
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taboo topics that the church doesn’t want to talk about so we do I mean we’ve
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talked about you know um demons you know lustful demons and
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what happens when you find yourself in a situation where you’re getting attacked
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by a demonic Spirit um you know how do you get him out of your home and we’ve also talked about
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some of that stuff on Aquarius rising and you know I’ve got a lot of other shows that we’re on but all the you know
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shows that I’m on we focus on those things you know mainly the topic
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of overcoming how do we overcome through the spiritual challenges that manifest
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in the physical world yes nothing is impossible with God and that’s the good
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news we will wrap it up there today thank you
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again so good to have you back on Jesse and look forward to much more and so we
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